Off topic, be sure to check out the car at the 1:30 mark.
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Admission, I am ambivalent about the 7-11 thing. I don't really care either way.
However, I do find it ironic that one of the arguments about why it shouldn't be here have to do with it being ugly for the block...
So, is it worse than having a bunch of protesters in chains standing around with cardboard signs on the corner?
It's like, which is worse, a bunch of delivery menus on the stoop that you pick up and throw away, or a big ugly sign on the door all the time that says No Menus?
anon-adouche strikes again... here's one for you anon-adouche... what's worse a whining anonymous comment poster or a whining anonymous comment poster who sees no beauty in participating non-anonymously...? LOL
"So, is it worse than having a bunch of protesters in chains standing around with cardboard signs on the corner?"
So in your analogy protesters are equal to a chain store that's there 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year? The protesters are a * permanent structure* just like a 7-11 store is a permanent structure? Will we need a building permit to build a bunch of people to protest in the future? Furthermore, and to expand on the logic of former presidential candidate Mitt Romney, "corporations are people, my friend" has been expanded to "stores are people, my friend."
Does anyone know how the folks who run Westville or the Beagle feel about the 7-11? I can't imagine it would be good for either one of these places. For sure, it doesn't fit in with the vibe Westville is trying to create. Do their customers really want to sit outside eating brunch across the street from a brightly-lit 7-11?
The 7-Eleven chain and franchises do not offer anything to the neighborhood we don’t already have. There are three bodegas within a block’s distance of the new 7-Eleven, a fourth bodega one avenue to the east and a fifth bodega one avenue to the west. There are 17 bodegas in our 10003 zip code and 25 bodegas in the neighboring 10009 zip code. There is no need for 7-Eleven here!
7-Eleven is invading the East Village and NYC as part of their aggressive expansion strategy.
There are currently 32 7-Elevens in Manhattan with an additional 100 locations planned to open in Manhattan by 2017. 7-Eleven has 7,550 stores in the United States and more outlets than any retailer in the world with 48,000 locations worldwide.
7-Eleven will damage the local economy.
7-Eleven seeks to undermine the free market and damage the local economy by over-saturating our neighborhood in order to choke out local convenience stores, bodegas and delis. They want to convert existing bodegas into 7-Eleven franchises, making those franchises beholden to 7-Eleven’s corporate products and policies, eventually limiting our food choices. 7-Eleven is a self-serve chain store, providing minimal labor per storefront and reducing the number of available jobs in the neighborhood.
7-Eleven is hypocritical when it comes to ‘healthy options.’
7-Eleven says they will offer fresh foods and healthy options but are not subject to the same restrictions as existing delis and bodegas – health inspections, displaying calorie counts, sanitary ratings. Amazingly, 7-Eleven is exempt from Bloomberg’s ban on sodas over 16oz and will sell oversized Big Gulps and Slurpees, giving them an unfair advantage over local businesses.
7-Eleven does not fit in with the East Village.
7-Eleven compromises the character, culture and authenticity of our community by attempting to homogenize the neighborhood.
Duly noted, Anonymous February 16, 2013 at 2:38 PM! The No 7-Eleven protestors are losing the chains and will soon be working closely with noted designers Alexander Wang and Rick Griffith to come up with attractive outfits and signs when appearing "on the corner." Thanks!
Haha wow, I was the first commenter. What vitriol! Ok guys, enjoy your protesters, I don't give a crap whether it's you on the corner or a 711, seriously, you are both equal to me. Neither of you is above the other.
Its nice to see somwbody cares about bodegas because they certainly dont care about each other, opening new stores right next to each other, take for example the corner of 4th and ave B, two brand new bodegas and now a 3rd is opening in place of kates joint so u got 3 corners of bodegas, thank goodness a school is on the remaning corne so no chance of that becoming one- BL
Two bodegas competing for business is an example of the free market. 7-Eleven, with their unlimited financial resources FLOODING a neighborhood with locations undermines the free market. They are corporate predators.
Bodegas near each other is totally normal in NYC- they all capture some part of the market as people will often go to the one that is closest to them- it is just like gas stations- at a major intersection (anywhere but Manhattan) you will often see gas stations on 2, 3 or even all 4 corners but they all make money since people go to the one that is most convenient to their travels.
Westville and The Beagle are far more detrimental than 7-11 could ever be. Who cares what the as***le customers of Westville and The beagle think anyway.
"For sure, it doesn't fit in with the vibe Westville is trying to create. Do their customers really want to sit outside eating brunch across the street from a brightly-lit 7-11?" - You have got to be sh**ing me. Westville has a "vibe", what kinda "vibe" is created by a bunch of posers standing outside for hours to get overpriced poached eggs? What kinda "vibe" is created by a bunch of posers blocking the sidewalk every Friday, Saturday and Sunday - morning, noon an night? Give me the "vibe" created by a bunch of kids slippin slurpees over the "vibe" created by that brainless, souless, vapid crowd that stands for hours in front of Westville. As far as the Beagle, not sure what there customers might think because they slink in and out of that place like they are in the witness protection program.
Out in wealthy suburbs I have heard tales of town councils that have ordinances and such so that when McDonald's comes rolling in to town, they say they can setup shop, but it has to look a certain way to keep up the outward luxurious appearances of said town. For example, they may disallow the installation of giant golden arches, make them setup in an old brick mansion with non-logo looking signs instead of in a normal looking pizza hut, things like that, so that the Blockbuster Videos all looks like Providence, Rhode Island at the end of the day.
Maybe the politically motivated here could get involved with the city to endorse for the neighborhood something like that, if for example a major point of contention is the fluorescent sign...
anonymous 9:10pm it's NOT the garish ugly sign. it's the garish, ugly, cheap, chemicalized pretend food. it's the incursion into the city by a large corporation with the resources to pay enormous rents and the mission to force out the small, long-time, independent neighborhood stores. pretty soon all that will be left here will be large corporate establishments that will eat each other up until only one large corporation, pretending to offer choices of merchandise, will win and have eaten up all the other chains. take a walk down 6th avenue at all the faux historic-looking west village stage set buildings.
9:10 You are missing the point. 7-Eleven doesnt want to coexist, they want to dominate the neighborhood. Their corporate strategy is to put the bodegas out of business or consume them as a franchise.
Ok, me again. I can't compete with conspiracy theories. Here i was trying to think if something more constructive and progressive than standing around with a cardboard sign. You are one angry bunch, i recommend you try and smile some times. Good luck in your endeavors.
First commenter @ 8:58, Conspiracy? 7-Eleven corp announced (several times)that it plans to add 100 7-Eleven stores in Manhattan in the next two years. It's been in all the papers for months, friend. About smiling -- I didn't read it as vitriol but poking fun of that first weird comment that I'm sure most of us still believe you couldn't have meant seriously. The comment about "No bikes" is right on, though, brother.
I love the fascist comments on here from purported "progressive intellectuals". Anyone having an opposing viewpoint is to be shouted down. Very American of you.
25 comments:
Admission, I am ambivalent about the 7-11 thing. I don't really care either way.
However, I do find it ironic that one of the arguments about why it shouldn't be here have to do with it being ugly for the block...
So, is it worse than having a bunch of protesters in chains standing around with cardboard signs on the corner?
It's like, which is worse, a bunch of delivery menus on the stoop that you pick up and throw away, or a big ugly sign on the door all the time that says No Menus?
Are you serious?
anon-adouche strikes again... here's one for you anon-adouche... what's worse a whining anonymous comment poster or a whining anonymous comment poster who sees no beauty in participating non-anonymously...? LOL
What an ass. Thank you 7-11 protesters!
Anonymous 2:38
"So, is it worse than having a bunch of protesters in chains standing around with cardboard signs on the corner?"
So in your analogy protesters are equal to a chain store that's there 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year? The protesters are a * permanent structure* just like a 7-11 store is a permanent structure? Will we need a building permit to build a bunch of people to protest in the future? Furthermore, and to expand on the logic of former presidential candidate Mitt Romney, "corporations are people, my friend" has been expanded to "stores are people, my friend."
Where did you learn this logic from?
@ Diatomaceous Earth Food Grade
You're not "ambivalent", you're just not very bright. Try looking up "non sequitur". Hell, try just looking up "logic".
Does anyone know how the folks who run Westville or the Beagle feel about the 7-11? I can't imagine it would be good for either one of these places. For sure, it doesn't fit in with the vibe Westville is trying to create. Do their customers really want to sit outside eating brunch across the street from a brightly-lit 7-11?
From the No 7-Eleven Facebook page.
Why No 7-Eleven?
7-Eleven serves no need in the community.
The 7-Eleven chain and franchises do not offer anything to the neighborhood we don’t already have. There are three bodegas within a block’s distance of the new 7-Eleven, a fourth bodega one avenue to the east and a fifth bodega one avenue to the west. There are 17 bodegas in our 10003 zip code and 25 bodegas in the neighboring 10009 zip code. There is no need for 7-Eleven here!
7-Eleven is invading the East Village and NYC as part of their aggressive expansion strategy.
There are currently 32 7-Elevens in Manhattan with an additional 100 locations planned to open in Manhattan by 2017. 7-Eleven has 7,550 stores in the United States and more outlets than any retailer in the world with 48,000 locations worldwide.
7-Eleven will damage the local economy.
7-Eleven seeks to undermine the free market and damage the local economy by over-saturating our neighborhood in order to choke out local convenience stores, bodegas and delis. They want to convert existing bodegas into 7-Eleven franchises, making those franchises beholden to 7-Eleven’s corporate products and policies, eventually limiting our food choices. 7-Eleven is a self-serve chain store, providing minimal labor per storefront and reducing the number of available jobs in the neighborhood.
7-Eleven is hypocritical when it comes to ‘healthy options.’
7-Eleven says they will offer fresh foods and healthy options but are not subject to the same restrictions as existing delis and bodegas – health inspections, displaying calorie counts, sanitary ratings. Amazingly, 7-Eleven is exempt from Bloomberg’s ban on sodas over 16oz and will sell oversized Big Gulps and Slurpees, giving them an unfair advantage over local businesses.
7-Eleven does not fit in with the East Village.
7-Eleven compromises the character, culture and authenticity of our community by attempting to homogenize the neighborhood.
Duly noted, Anonymous February 16, 2013 at 2:38 PM! The No 7-Eleven protestors are losing the chains and will soon be working closely with noted designers Alexander Wang and Rick Griffith to come up with attractive outfits and signs when appearing "on the corner." Thanks!
i would love a chance to (try to) explain this issue to someone in middle america. their reactions would be priceless!
free enterprise, the beauty of capitalism. capatalism rules.
Haha wow, I was the first commenter. What vitriol! Ok guys, enjoy your protesters, I don't give a crap whether it's you on the corner or a 711, seriously, you are both equal to me. Neither of you is above the other.
Its nice to see somwbody cares about bodegas because they certainly dont care about each other, opening new stores right next to each other, take for example the corner of 4th and ave B, two brand new bodegas and now a 3rd is opening in place of kates joint so u got 3 corners of bodegas, thank goodness a school is on the remaning corne so no chance of that becoming one- BL
Two bodegas competing for business is an example of the free market. 7-Eleven, with their unlimited financial resources FLOODING a neighborhood with locations undermines the free market. They are corporate predators.
Bodegas near each other is totally normal in NYC- they all capture some part of the market as people will often go to the one that is closest to them- it is just like gas stations- at a major intersection (anywhere but Manhattan) you will often see gas stations on 2, 3 or even all 4 corners but they all make money since people go to the one that is most convenient to their travels.
@anon 5:59
Westville and The Beagle are far more detrimental than 7-11 could ever be. Who cares what the as***le customers of Westville and The beagle think anyway.
"For sure, it doesn't fit in with the vibe Westville is trying to create. Do their customers really want to sit outside eating brunch across the street from a brightly-lit 7-11?" - You have got to be sh**ing me. Westville has a "vibe", what kinda "vibe" is created by a bunch of posers standing outside for hours to get overpriced poached eggs? What kinda "vibe" is created by a bunch of posers blocking the sidewalk every Friday, Saturday and Sunday - morning, noon an night? Give me the "vibe" created by a bunch of kids slippin slurpees over the "vibe" created by that brainless, souless, vapid crowd that stands for hours in front of Westville.
As far as the Beagle, not sure what there customers might think because they slink in and out of that place like they are in the witness protection program.
Hi, me again, first commenter here.
Out in wealthy suburbs I have heard tales of town councils that have ordinances and such so that when McDonald's comes rolling in to town, they say they can setup shop, but it has to look a certain way to keep up the outward luxurious appearances of said town. For example, they may disallow the installation of giant golden arches, make them setup in an old brick mansion with non-logo looking signs instead of in a normal looking pizza hut, things like that, so that the Blockbuster Videos all looks like Providence, Rhode Island at the end of the day.
Maybe the politically motivated here could get involved with the city to endorse for the neighborhood something like that, if for example a major point of contention is the fluorescent sign...
anonymous 9:10pm it's NOT the garish ugly sign. it's the garish, ugly, cheap, chemicalized pretend food.
it's the incursion into the city by a large corporation with the resources to pay enormous rents and the mission to force out the small, long-time, independent neighborhood stores.
pretty soon all that will be left here will be large corporate establishments that will eat each other up until only one large corporation, pretending to offer choices of merchandise, will win and have eaten up all the other chains.
take a walk down 6th avenue at all the faux historic-looking west village stage set buildings.
9:10 You are missing the point. 7-Eleven doesnt want to coexist, they want to dominate the neighborhood. Their corporate strategy is to put the bodegas out of business or consume them as a franchise.
Ok, me again. I can't compete with conspiracy theories. Here i was trying to think if something more constructive and progressive than standing around with a cardboard sign. You are one angry bunch, i recommend you try and smile some times. Good luck in your endeavors.
Someone loves the sound of his own voice. If only it said something.
Don't assume the only thing the No 7-Eleven group is doing are the bodega walks.
First commenter @ 8:58, Conspiracy? 7-Eleven corp announced (several times)that it plans to add 100 7-Eleven stores in Manhattan in the next two years. It's been in all the papers for months, friend.
About smiling -- I didn't read it as vitriol but poking fun of that first weird comment that I'm sure most of us still believe you couldn't have meant seriously. The comment about "No bikes" is right on, though, brother.
I love the fascist comments on here from purported "progressive intellectuals". Anyone having an opposing viewpoint is to be shouted down. Very American of you.
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