tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post3653534328605424863..comments2024-03-28T16:06:42.424-04:00Comments on EV Grieve: CB3 committee exploring link between bar density and public healthUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-9819970488362492722017-09-11T06:41:20.303-04:002017-09-11T06:41:20.303-04:00They're investigating the wrong "issue.&q...They're investigating the wrong "issue." It should be an investigation about the "safety issue" of a high density of bars. If that were the issue being studied, they would find an overwhelming body of evidence that a high density of bars results in an above average or higher amount of crime.<br /><br />ALL the bars on Stanton Street between Essex and Allen Streets and Ludlow between E.Houston and and Rivington Street need to be denied liquoe license renewals. It is Bourbon Street in Manhattan thus needs to go.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-69384592560867035022017-09-10T15:08:16.401-04:002017-09-10T15:08:16.401-04:00If this goes on without any input from Beth Israel...If this goes on without any input from Beth Israel emergency room and the ambulance drivers you'll know it's a sham. Jillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04362859175287085919noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-35965332928478391982017-09-10T13:42:31.705-04:002017-09-10T13:42:31.705-04:00Another bs from CB3. What's its purpose again?...Another bs from CB3. What's its purpose again? Oh right, to function in the interest of bar owners, not the residents.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-70494402335335295612017-09-09T19:36:04.576-04:002017-09-09T19:36:04.576-04:00Hope they'd consider mental and psychological ...Hope they'd consider mental and psychological health too. <br /><br />If this meeting about public health will be held again at the upper floors of the Public Hotel, won't be surprised if CB3 finds no link between bar density and public health.<br /><br />Either way, CB3 is responsible for dishing out all the liquor licenses to these bars and "restaurants", will they admit and take accountability for it?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-62682661429995940992017-09-09T02:56:26.490-04:002017-09-09T02:56:26.490-04:00Focusing on "health and safety" seems to...Focusing on "health and safety" seems to me like trying to steer it to a conclusion that the concentration of bars has no impact, especially if they're focusing on data. Are they looking for an increase in residents' hospital visits to correlate with the number of bars. Even if they find one, how do they show causation. Health and safety isn't really the point. It's the obvious but somewhat nebulous deterioration of quality of life.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-87656071320272671712017-09-08T17:57:54.315-04:002017-09-08T17:57:54.315-04:00I agree with first commenter: What is the thresho...I agree with first commenter: What is the threshold for them to take any genuinely useful action? And, BTW, what might that action be?<br /><br />They're not going to strip SLA licenses from places that already have them. And they're NOT going to get rid of the bro's who are here from elsewhere (b/c the East Village is a "happening place").<br /><br />Further, they're NOT going to get rid of the bro's who temporarily live here (in Icon/Croman owned type of buildings, esp. the ones with backyards & roofs designed for partying. Hey, there were literally fireworks being set off on the "party roof" next door to my building last weekend).<br /><br />Nor can they get rid of the thousands of dorm residents here who seem to think they have a God-given right to drink to (and beyond) their limits.<br /><br />And so many of the above-mentioned groups love to smoke weed right outside my window...<br /><br />So, what's going to actually change? I can tell them right now that the health impact on ME is that my blood pressure is through the roof on the weekend nights, and that my lost sleep due to loud carousers is also not in my best health interest, and I really don't need the unavoidable amount of passive exposure I'm getting to marijuana smoke as I sit in my apartment.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-8121422969719753842017-09-08T16:21:48.536-04:002017-09-08T16:21:48.536-04:00One "safety issue" I see from my window ...One "safety issue" I see from my window on the weekends (and sometimes earlier in the week) is people wandering into the street for cabs and especially Uber. There are so many drunk people trying to get somewhere that they leap frog over each other and get in the way of tons of metal on wheels that could kill them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-31774246119941645132017-09-08T14:38:07.454-04:002017-09-08T14:38:07.454-04:00Interesting. CB3 created this problem by approving...Interesting. CB3 created this problem by approving every bar that comes along. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-81256708985522591772017-09-08T14:23:24.220-04:002017-09-08T14:23:24.220-04:00I would suggest those that agree with soundproofin...I would suggest those that agree with soundproofing and closure of open facades as a very positive step to curbing the noise levels in the neighborhood should write whoever replaces Rosie Mendez's seat on the city council. We have to get our politicians working on our behalf, a regulation like that is very possible.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-18934318223060439382017-09-08T13:47:25.579-04:002017-09-08T13:47:25.579-04:00I agree with the previous poster who points out an...I agree with the previous poster who points out an easy solution would be to close the open fronts and require the spaces have proper soundproofing. If the owner of Raclette would keep the windows closed and install proper soundproofing the problem would be fixed. Same thing at Doublewide down the street and the bars on upper Avenue A. It might help, too, if the landlords got ticketed for having loud tenants. If we could get the landlords to come down in these tenants that would help. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-67537532879106616892017-09-08T13:09:15.886-04:002017-09-08T13:09:15.886-04:00As bar density increases, public health decreases....As bar density increases, public health decreases. There. There's your study.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-46103846652029633262017-09-08T12:46:09.228-04:002017-09-08T12:46:09.228-04:00If the abundance of liquor licenses is affecting y...If the abundance of liquor licenses is affecting you negatively especially in terms of physical or emotional health come and tell your story. If they don't hear from us, nothing changes. dwgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-43305584948839832592017-09-08T12:23:51.542-04:002017-09-08T12:23:51.542-04:00If CB3 would stop bars/restaurants from having ope...If CB3 would stop bars/restaurants from having open fronts and force them to use soundproofing materials inside their space, a large portion of our problems would be solved. And it's so easy to do. JUST DO IT. cmarrtyynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-56121369479292452812017-09-08T12:01:31.645-04:002017-09-08T12:01:31.645-04:00Maybe they need to formally study this to take act...Maybe they need to formally study this to take action. I hope this means they are going to do something about what has happened in the area because of bar density. The East Village has always had bars and been a fun place to go out in but the number of bars has increased so much and you also have an influx of frat and sorority types who are only hear temporarily and party as loud as they want to. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-78767992252995808942017-09-08T10:57:20.628-04:002017-09-08T10:57:20.628-04:00Well the ratio of public barfing and bladder issue...Well the ratio of public barfing and bladder issues per block has gone up with the ratio of bars per block. A direct causal relationship. Case closed. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-85426289382102661892017-09-08T09:19:58.861-04:002017-09-08T09:19:58.861-04:00They have to study this? We can attest to how bad ...They have to study this? We can attest to how bad it is for our health! It isn't just bars. Now the restaurants that serve booze are becoming bad neighbors. I am on 12th and had to call 311 on Raclette last night. They were having a private party and had their big windows wide open and the noise blasting out of that place was insane. You could hear it over on Avenue A. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-5550096078489434512017-09-08T07:47:42.840-04:002017-09-08T07:47:42.840-04:00Interesting topic. I'll be there.Interesting topic. I'll be there.sophocleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03619794822543934239noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-80333824792573763862017-09-08T07:23:39.201-04:002017-09-08T07:23:39.201-04:00I think they're going to run up against a wall...I think they're going to run up against a wall with this. Even with all their evidence, what is the threshold for taking action? Will any of their findings point to a level of health impairment that is demonstrably higher than other parts of the city on a regular basis? It's a step, but I don't expect much to come out of this. Still, it's a process...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com