tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post5256638953550728794..comments2024-03-28T16:06:42.424-04:00Comments on EV Grieve: [Updated] Ess-A-Bagel announces its new location on 1st AvenueUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger57125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-17126151433262350012016-08-19T11:08:35.861-04:002016-08-19T11:08:35.861-04:00Is Ess-A-Bagel going to open? Unless it did so qui...Is Ess-A-Bagel going to open? Unless it did so quietly in the past few weeks... It's been over almost a year since announcing it will re-open. What's the story bethsbizhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02081403005036917659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-63335248852268273082016-02-04T20:26:47.610-05:002016-02-04T20:26:47.610-05:00Tal Bagels are great, probably better than Ess-A&#...Tal Bagels are great, probably better than Ess-A's and without the snooty attitude. And they toast. Bagel Boynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-51527311861434763592016-02-04T19:13:06.800-05:002016-02-04T19:13:06.800-05:00Good news. I took a peek inside the shop as the co...Good news. I took a peek inside the shop as the contractor was moving equipment in. It looks like the oven is already installed and the studs were up for the walls. I can't wait for their bagels to return to this neighborhood. Tal bagels are god-awful and not the real deal.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-59815529536838873782015-10-28T21:59:37.299-04:002015-10-28T21:59:37.299-04:00It has nothing to do with being so difficult, it&#...It has nothing to do with being so difficult, it's a way of eating a fresh bagel. Maybe do some research. @10:14 you're so right. @9:22 do what everyone else is doing? You must be another conformist , adding to the deterioration of a once great New York City.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-15312059680525904602015-10-26T13:29:52.081-04:002015-10-26T13:29:52.081-04:00Toasting takes labor and time. Why should a propri...Toasting takes labor and time. Why should a proprietor of a foodshop have to like, expend effort to prepare food the way their customers want it? That's for suckers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-35577562784640570062015-10-25T19:01:33.676-04:002015-10-25T19:01:33.676-04:00I like the bagel authority guy. Toasted bagel peop...I like the bagel authority guy. Toasted bagel people on the other hand, come off as really really annoying on this thread.Ed Amamenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-81115960841118878122015-10-25T18:56:15.814-04:002015-10-25T18:56:15.814-04:00The East Village isn't dead, it's toast.The East Village isn't dead, it's toast. Giovannihttp://urbanmyths.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-79903190907294572782015-10-25T02:32:57.581-04:002015-10-25T02:32:57.581-04:00HOORAY, ESS-A-BAGEL IS REOPENING! I am so happy t...HOORAY, ESS-A-BAGEL IS REOPENING! I am so happy to hear it. Also I'm a real New Yorker and in all of my many years going to Ess-a, it never once occurred to me to be upset because they don't toast. I take my bag of bagels home and I eat them untoasted or I toast them, who cares. This is not an actual issue.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-65609682661472127582015-10-24T22:57:13.612-04:002015-10-24T22:57:13.612-04:00Real New Yorkers always have and always will want ...Real New Yorkers always have and always will want toasted bagels. Having lived here my whole life, I and everyone I know likes them toasted, so please get off theyDr. Ben Carson "transplant" nonsense about how only people from other places like them toasted. A toasted bagel can actually taste better than the original, especially after it has gotten cold. And lifelong New Yorkers have always toasted them. There isn't a law against toasting bagels, if there were half the population would be on Rikers Island or aggravated toasting.<br /><br />Claiming that it took Murray's 19 years to get a DOB permit to change the electric is ridiculous. Murray's bragged about not toasting, it was part of their elite positioning (like Black Seeds wood fire oven) Then the rent went up and customers went elsewhere and they were forced to toast. If Murray's really believed in their anti-toasting philosophy they would have stuck with it and so would their customers. They didn't. Now when you go into Murray's you see plenty of customers asking for toasted bagels. They somehow suddenly figured out how to do it, because it isn't rocket science, it's toasting!<br /><br />Saying that H&H didn't toast misses the point--they sold whole bagels to go, they didn't make sandwiches. It was like a bagel factory, especially the one on the West Side Highway which looked like a factory. You got a dozen warm bagels and took them home. I would eat them hot out of the bag. By the time they cooled off they were perfect for toasting. The spinoff of H&H on the Upper East Side is different, they do make sandwiches, but they are not the original H&H. And guess what? They toast.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-52152311628995591592015-10-24T21:22:18.248-04:002015-10-24T21:22:18.248-04:00Pfft, no such thing as NYC water. We let you take ...Pfft, no such thing as NYC water. We let you take water from upstate so you can keep making the bagels. Just keep the bagels coming.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-86952133374680440852015-10-24T20:33:51.989-04:002015-10-24T20:33:51.989-04:00bagel authority @ 7:44 PM: Why don't they put ...bagel authority @ 7:44 PM: Why don't they put a toaster on a table for the customers to use, like they do at a million hotels? Then we can buy our cold bagels, cream cheese or butter, and toast away.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-49998564646173197692015-10-24T20:21:16.296-04:002015-10-24T20:21:16.296-04:00@7:20 PM: Didn't you think those H&H bagel...@7:20 PM: Didn't you think those H&H bagels were too sweet to be the real deal? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-63645991612551006602015-10-24T19:20:02.569-04:002015-10-24T19:20:02.569-04:00Schmear@ Anon 10:56 Ha. You're first mistake i...Schmear@ Anon 10:56 Ha. You're first mistake is using 'Foodie' and 'Schmear joint' in the same sentence yet not putting 2 plus 2 together. As I said in my previous post, I've been at this for quite a while. I've personally met/been employed by many of the shops mentioned in this post. Also worked for the late great H&H. . Bagel shop owners are a no nonsense lot. Very old school. Most I've met consider Foodie's, The Food Network, and all forms of food related social media a bunch of pretentious non-sense . Bagels, they would say, are about as unpretentious as an NYC food there is ,was, or ever could be. They're protective of bagels going the way of the cupcake or , as one guy once told me, going 'Bourdain.' Bagel shops require a fair amount of dirty physical work. These guys are grunts. They're tough. Most started out working hard long hours rolling 100 pound bags of dough in giant bowl mixers in a sweaty basement. They are not the type to kiss your ass over a toaster. Trust me, the owner of Murray's or Essa aren't losing any sleep because some self entitled transplant wants to toast a freshly baked bagel ( not my words friend) Their attitude is , we make a good product , we serve it , if you don't like it , go somewhere else. They are entitled to run their places however they like. Now to again, Essa on 1st did not have the space to toast. Not possible. Murray's did not bend to any trend or clientele type. They finally got permission from DOB and their landlord to add the 220 lines required for these large industrial toasters. You might think you sound cool saying things like 'it ain't rocket science' and 'figure it out' but that's not their reality. When the building your business is in was built in the early 1900s , you need to make tough choices. Bagels are a tough business. That's why per NYC square mile, you see very very few compared to say a pizza place or a cafe. PS if your really worried about being late for work, don't toast that bagel ;-)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-91477878195118222932015-10-24T15:43:39.676-04:002015-10-24T15:43:39.676-04:00@ 10:56 am you are a disgusting human being. take ...@ 10:56 am you are a disgusting human being. take your business degree, shove it up your entitled ass, and go back to iowa where you belong. jesus christ. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-66483047465221257362015-10-24T15:35:05.965-04:002015-10-24T15:35:05.965-04:00Something I haven't seen anyone write is that ...Something I haven't seen anyone write is that toasting bread converts the carbohydrates to sugars. That's why toast tastes better than a regular slice of bread, and why toasted bagels taste better than untoasted.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-74570891211766743572015-10-24T10:56:49.462-04:002015-10-24T10:56:49.462-04:00This is the foodie capital of the world, we have r...This is the foodie capital of the world, we have restaurants that can make anything, toasting a bagel isn't rocket science. The fact that so many places do manage to toast bagels proves this isn't so hard to do. It's the places that don't toast bagels that are losing the most business. If customers want a toasted bagel and the place can't figure out how to do it they will lose customers. The proof is that Murray's Bagels refused to toast bagels for years, and now even they are toasting due to the lost business. The rents are too high to lose customers over a single issue like toasting. <br /><br />Plus, people really don't appreciate the snooty attitude that these schmear joints give you when you ask for a toasted bagel. If it's really about speeding up he line then don't give people that snooty attitude about ruinng your precious little round work of art. It's just a friggin' bagel, now toast it and give me my coffee, I'm late for work.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-52091764296615809972015-10-24T09:09:10.651-04:002015-10-24T09:09:10.651-04:00Waaa waaa waaa they'll toast my bagel but waaa...Waaa waaa waaa they'll toast my bagel but waaa waaa waaa the line is too long, mommy! Ken from Ken's Kitchennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-30665505667657707612015-10-24T09:00:39.828-04:002015-10-24T09:00:39.828-04:00Je voudrais un bagel grillé avec du beurre s'i...Je voudrais un bagel grillé avec du beurre s'il vous plait...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-20850554361325657672015-10-24T08:24:07.509-04:002015-10-24T08:24:07.509-04:007:44PM---GREAT ANALYSIS---i owned a BAGEL NOSH fro...7:44PM---GREAT ANALYSIS---i owned a BAGEL NOSH from 1977-1989 (5th avenue and 35th street)--we NEVER/EVER toasted a bagel----would have been a nightmare :)afbphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17342511797399979293noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-50886845420638100922015-10-24T01:49:45.432-04:002015-10-24T01:49:45.432-04:00Yup, Moe's is like airport food.Yup, Moe's is like airport food.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-90404065726337982632015-10-23T23:07:40.711-04:002015-10-23T23:07:40.711-04:00Hear! Hear!Hear! Hear!Danhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10531757975199135297noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-31579177556946564342015-10-23T23:06:54.694-04:002015-10-23T23:06:54.694-04:00I have never seen Bagel Boss packed in 25 years. W...I have never seen Bagel Boss packed in 25 years. What day did this happen? David s is very good. Excited that Ess A Bagel is back! Danhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10531757975199135297noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-44358866639092877482015-10-23T21:11:58.527-04:002015-10-23T21:11:58.527-04:00Well, can't believe no one has mentioned this ...Well, can't believe no one has mentioned this but, hallelujah! Moe's is toast. They should've had burritos or fajitas in a bagel, toased or un-toasted, instead of tortilla. And they thought they can turn that part of town into Times Square.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-74540016271429828312015-10-23T19:44:38.716-04:002015-10-23T19:44:38.716-04:00I'm in the business since the 80s. Toasting or...I'm in the business since the 80s. Toasting or not toasting is about one thing and one thing only. $$$ Don't let anybody else tell you different. It takes 90 seconds to 2 minute to toast a bagel in a commercial toaster. The best ones hold 3 bagels tops at a time. Now think about a line of 10, 20, 30 people trying to get food on a weekend morning; The morning most shops use to pay their rent a huge payroll that goes along with any shop worth its weight in flour. You're talking about much longer wait times. Workers can't even start sandwiches until their turn on the toaster line comes up. And you can't simply add one or two more toasters. These are 220 or 440 lines we are talking about. 2 in a shop and you're tripping fuses all day. 3 can cause mayhem on any NYC building (most are old and have crappy electric) So the owner makes his choice; Tick people off by not toasting and go for volume OR toast and tick people off with long wait times ( people never put 2 and 2 together). Option two equals less money but a happier guest. In the case of Essa, the size of the old spot on 1st Ave simply made toasting not feasible. People would've been packed in waiting like sardines. In Murray's case, you're talking 6th Avenue. High volume business crowd. They wanted a bang bang operation and chose to go for the volume. TSB toasts. They have huge lines. But that's deceiving. 90 percent of those kids insist their bagel be toasted. Being they had no competitor, they could afford to say yes and hope that people would wait.. But make no mistake, it's not about some purist or pious holy than thou bagel law. This is about money. It's business. The only other thing I can add is that when you toast a bagel fresh or recently out of the oven, it burns or becomes hard after 2 or 3 minutes. Think about it; you're taking a 500 degree piece of bread and running it through a toaster. That's a mistake and will tick a bagel worker off. Aside from that it's about $$$. If Essa's new spot is larger I bet they will toast. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-54854334212539932652015-10-23T18:44:24.229-04:002015-10-23T18:44:24.229-04:00Russ & Daughters get their bagels from a place...Russ & Daughters get their bagels from a place in BK called Bagel Hole. <br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com