tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post5462409804949576573..comments2024-03-18T19:27:54.524-04:00Comments on EV Grieve: [Updated] NYPD offers explanation into Kelly Hurley's death: 'she slipped'Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger45125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-23559775959527155832017-05-03T17:04:16.760-04:002017-05-03T17:04:16.760-04:00The Department of Transportation that needs to hel...The Department of Transportation that needs to held accountable too for this shoddy street design. I am avoiding the 1st Avenue bike lane and other bike lanes because of these mixing zones.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-15542194639353738122017-04-22T07:47:50.304-04:002017-04-22T07:47:50.304-04:00Where can I find details about how to attend? I mi...Where can I find details about how to attend? I missed this story until now but would like to helpMJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08737106122161108346noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-51076146512485796252017-04-20T21:33:36.683-04:002017-04-20T21:33:36.683-04:00After 35 plus years of biking in Manhattan I have ...After 35 plus years of biking in Manhattan I have built an observational self-defense system for negotiating traffic. Usually I can sense that a car is going to turn without the driver looking for bikes, car doors are going to open into my path and pedestrians are going to walk into the street without looking. It usually works, but not always and I have had some collisions with cars, fortunately with little major damage to myself. No collisions with pedestrians ever. The left turn lanes on 1st Ave are not always safe and frequently I will opt to go around the left lane cars.<br /><br />I did once get caught in the 5th Street turn by a limo and I can tell you it was all I could do to not fall down while the limo forced me over. The driver jumped out and threatened me since I had touched his car. I said, great let's fight in front of the precinct down the block. He jumped in to the car and drove away fast. I was wondering how Kelly Hurley ended up under the truck if it wasn't a large truck but the revelation that the driver came zooming over from across the avenue tells me that she had little hope of seeing or reacting to the threat. She could have easily been a pedestrian.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-32404576782653401742017-04-20T09:41:15.648-04:002017-04-20T09:41:15.648-04:00I was at the meeting, and the cop leading the inve...I was at the meeting, and the cop leading the investigation sounded serious about building a case against the box truck driver. Another one of the lead cops over there is an avid cyclist. Keep in mind the cops have to build the case, and that takes time, but they aren't the ones who decide if charges will be pressed. The DA's office does that, so we need to put pressure on the DA's office. I remember the cops built a great case against a drug dealer in my building with the help of us neighbors, and we were all disappointed when it was for nothing because the DA's office didn't want to proceed with the case.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-18025912979785534832017-04-19T21:09:35.896-04:002017-04-19T21:09:35.896-04:00I read that DNA link, it sounds like the NYPD is g...I read that DNA link, it sounds like the NYPD is getting a lot of negative feedback for coddling the killer/box truck driver and they are still covering their asses and inexplicably protecting the driver.<br /><br /> Although the clarification is pathetic and lame, she was placing the bike on the ground as the truck sped over from across the street? That was her first instinct when 2 tons of steel came toward her, to put her bike down? <br /><br /> If they are looking at footage, I like to say to the investigators, You're Welcome.<br /><br /><br />JQ LLChttps://impunitycity.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-33891008890614647972017-04-19T14:58:51.820-04:002017-04-19T14:58:51.820-04:00@10:21am on April 18th: "there is an incredib...@10:21am on April 18th: "there is an incredible level of denial about the degree of risk involved."<br /><br />EXACTLY!<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-61355242287773689382017-04-19T14:21:29.759-04:002017-04-19T14:21:29.759-04:00@8:25am: Yes, traffic is a bumper crop for the ci...@8:25am: Yes, traffic is a bumper crop for the city financially - which is why NYC keeps making driving more and more difficult. It's not about saving the planet, it's about engineering the traffic so that, as you point out, 23rd St. crosstown has ONE lane for actual traffic. That is insane no matter how you look at it.<br /><br />So thanks, Bloomberg & DeBlasio, for creating worse traffic congestion than NYC ever had before, and for working hard to make it impossible to get around. It's like no one in charge has ever ridden a bus (much less WAITED for a bus), needed to have a taxi drop them off in front of their building when they were on crutches, or considered that every business in NYC needs to have its merchandise delivered by truck. It is wholesale insistence on some fictitious NYC, as opposed to the real one we are all living in & dealing with.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-7711320698201506152017-04-19T14:18:28.304-04:002017-04-19T14:18:28.304-04:00I was at the meeting and I am not a fan of motoris...I was at the meeting and I am not a fan of motorists or cyclists who don't pay attention to the rules of the road.<br /><br />Everyone needs to be educated and the laws need to be enforced for everyone.<br /><br />I wish everyone would stop picking sides. There is no side. There are too many motorists and cyclists not following the rules, and they are putting us all in danger.<br /><br />I will give the cyclists this: The cops should have been out in force on First Avenue in the days after the accident stopping, ticketing and educating motorists. To focus only on cyclists doesn't make sense. Yes, cyclists need to be brought under control, but so do motorists. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-77649999849458438352017-04-19T14:00:35.463-04:002017-04-19T14:00:35.463-04:00Sounds like NYPD is considering charging the drive...Sounds like NYPD is considering charging the driver:<br /><br />https://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/20170419/east-village/nypd-plans-recommend-charges-for-truck-driver-fatal-bike-collision<br /><br />They have apparently reviewed video footage of the accident. Cosmohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02520062718515861987noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-83891890511952422802017-04-19T11:58:39.032-04:002017-04-19T11:58:39.032-04:006:32
You make my point. 6:32<br /><br />You make my point. cmarrtyynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-89952084979191812772017-04-19T08:25:45.750-04:002017-04-19T08:25:45.750-04:00@ 6:42
"The beat cops are nickel and diming c...@ 6:42<br />"The beat cops are nickel and diming cyclists in order to appease motorists so that they will be pleased and spend more money on tolls and on meters? Do you think there is a cabal of motorists out there that is going to drive back and forth over the GWB and pay more tolls in order to register their approval at cyclists being given minor tickets?"<br /><br />I guess you have never heard of quotas within the police and sanitation department to write tickets. The city does not require registration or a license to ride a bicycle so there is no income skim from that form of transportation. If you have ever spoken to a taxi driver about tickets you would realize how many traps the city has set for them. For example the new red bus lanes on 23rd street have reduced car traffic to one lane going each way. Any car or taxi driving or entering for a short time will get a ticket. There are countless cameras set up in midtown and nearby us on Houston. Yes traffic is a bumper crop for the city, bike riders not so much. We live in a society run by profits there is little incentive to change policy unless it brings in more profits. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-77913716642718435072017-04-19T08:22:31.919-04:002017-04-19T08:22:31.919-04:00Everyone keeps asking why the police target and pu...Everyone keeps asking why the police target and punish cyclists but not reckless drivers after every bad accident. The answer is simple: most cops are drivers, not cyclists, and they rarely walk unless they have to. Most cops live on Long Island, Westchester or New Jersey and they drive into the city every day. They get out of one car and into another, and this is where they spend the majority of their time. Maybe if they were on bicycle patrol they would see what road conditions are like out here and how bad many auto drivers really are. Sitting behind a windshield all day cuts them off from experiencing the real world, and it makes them favor cars over all other means of transportation. Giovannihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11061991537085810824noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-77927646175997484512017-04-19T07:14:42.474-04:002017-04-19T07:14:42.474-04:00Thanks to all who attended the 9th Precinct meetin...Thanks to all who attended the 9th Precinct meeting ("dozens" according to Patch). The next one is May 16th and we need to go again to keep pushing on this. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-88915594398342317322017-04-18T21:44:54.055-04:002017-04-18T21:44:54.055-04:00Just came back from the Community Council of the 9...Just came back from the Community Council of the 9th Precinct, and all your suspicions about police -- particularly the commanding officer -- not caring is quite true. The CO admitted to setting up stings for bicyclists, but none for motorists, of educating bicyclists, but not drivers, and of giving seniors LEDs for their safety rather than focusing on ticketing motorists who do not yield to pedestrians in the crosswalk. His logic is that once you step in the street you are on your own.<br /><br />The Community Board meeting, next Tuesday, may be more sympathetic.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-55443864320548212012017-04-18T20:50:06.474-04:002017-04-18T20:50:06.474-04:00@6:19, you think arresting the driver is actually ...@6:19, you think arresting the driver is actually going to make a dent in whether people go out and make boneheaded moves on the road tomorrow? It's not as if the police don't already investigate, so what you're saying is keep the same system. You're going to keep ending up with dead cyclists. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-81794923391873839672017-04-18T18:42:16.674-04:002017-04-18T18:42:16.674-04:00@3:20 don't you think that sounds like a reall...@3:20 don't you think that sounds like a really farfetched conspiracy? The beat cops are nickel and diming cyclists in order to appease motorists so that they will be pleased and spend more money on tolls and on meters? Do you think there is a cabal of motorists out there that is going to drive back and forth over the GWB and pay more tolls in order to register their approval at cyclists being given minor tickets? Or perhaps they get ticketed more because, as most people will very easily observe, they don't give a shit about the rules of the road and just ride wherever they want? Nahh, couldn't be that. It's got to be a conspiracy. Ooo! Trump must be behind it!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-62271011865563952702017-04-18T18:32:17.365-04:002017-04-18T18:32:17.365-04:00@cmarrty "Kelly Hurley died because more than...@cmarrty "Kelly Hurley died because more than likely she and the truck driver share the blame."<br /><br />Thanks, I needed a good laugh. When a car mows you down in the crosswalk, we'll all make sure you share the blame. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-28145439083179007822017-04-18T18:19:30.165-04:002017-04-18T18:19:30.165-04:005:53: It is important to find out what caused this...5:53: It is important to find out what caused this accident to prevent future ones. If it is true that the driver illegally crossed three lanes to make the left turn, he should have been arrested. He killed that woman and shouldn't get away with it. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-81175421397049902242017-04-18T17:53:57.587-04:002017-04-18T17:53:57.587-04:00Sophicles, fine have it your way. Nothing is more...Sophicles, fine have it your way. Nothing is more important than figuring out who to point the finger at. Certainly not figuring out a system for helping people be less likely to get mashed while cycling. It would interfere with naming and shaming those at fault. After all, once it's established that a driver is at fault, the cyclist gets resurrected, so all good.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-33872091239837941122017-04-18T16:29:07.666-04:002017-04-18T16:29:07.666-04:00The common thread on this blog is to blame somebod...The common thread on this blog is to blame somebody, driver or victim. That's the way we live today in the new millennium. Trump won because of Russian hacking. He won because we elected him. Today as a society we don't want to take the responsibility for our own lives. We want to shift responsibility to the law/politicians/what the hell,climate change. Kelly Hurley died because more than likely she and the truck driver share the blame. That's what the detective is trying to say. Sad but true. And it will happen over and over again until we realize that there are consequences for our actions.cmarrtyynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-38092502551908027382017-04-18T15:20:31.601-04:002017-04-18T15:20:31.601-04:00Cars and trucks bring the city a shit load of mone...Cars and trucks bring the city a shit load of money, cyclist don't. Think of the money bridges and tunnels bring, parking tickets and other violations is easy money. Why would the city make any changes to stop this influx of cash. They will always favor motor vehicles over pedestrians with exceptions of "privatized" public spaces like the NEW Astor place, Times Square and those Bloomberg cafe tables floating on various parts of Broadway where the city rents out some of that space to vendors. With the population boom of this past decade showing no signs of slowing, more pedestrians, bicycle lanes, car and truck traffic tragic deaths like this one will sadly increase while the city goes about business as usual. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-20735622043888318952017-04-18T15:04:16.303-04:002017-04-18T15:04:16.303-04:00Though 10:21 thinks its "sort of beside the p...Though 10:21 thinks its "sort of beside the point" whose at fault, I think people should be blamed and shamed if their negligence leads to someone's death. How is crossing three lanes of traffic any more legal or acceptable than running a stop sign and causing an accident? Where did this "slipping" story originate? With the driver? Experienced cyclists don't slip unless the road is slippery, they have contact with some person or thing, or they have to brake or turn to avoid a crash. The same is true of most inexperienced riders. I doubt her single brake had anything to do with the accident. <br />Today I saw a guy on the same corner. He was blissfully riding the wrong way. THAT should be ticketed. sophocleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03619794822543934239noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-83579844933708901512017-04-18T14:08:19.555-04:002017-04-18T14:08:19.555-04:00Assuming it's accurate both that the truck tur...Assuming it's accurate both that the truck turned left from the far right lane and that the cyclist slipped, what is not reported thus far:<br /><br />1. Did the truck make the left turn (from the far right lane) on a green light or red light?<br /><br />2. Did the cyclist have a green light as she approached the intersection?<br /><br />3. Did the cyclist just accidentally slip or did she slip trying to avoid the oncoming truck (who obviously didn't see her)?<br /><br />The lack of clarity (witnesses or video) is unfortunate. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-22511530251872862582017-04-18T12:01:05.243-04:002017-04-18T12:01:05.243-04:00I just read the story on DNA Info. So the truck dr...I just read the story on DNA Info. So the truck driver was in the far right lane, totally on the east side of First Avenue and then turned toward the west, cutting across all four lanes of First Avenue. No wonder the cyclist didn't see him coming. When I thought he had turned from the lane closest to the bike lane, I thought maybe she played a role in this. But it wasn't her fault. She was clearly riding along when all of a sudden this truck, which would even have been in her peripheral vision, came barreling across all those lanes. Now, I see why the truck was positioned straight when it was stopped and not at an angle. And he didn't get arrested? I am incensed. She didn't have a chance. Maybe we should all meet on the corner of 9th Street and First Avenue en masse and make it known to the city that we want the driver arrested. This has nothing to do with the bike lanes as someone above pointed out, and everything to do with a guy who figured he didn't have to follow the rules of the road because it was early in the morning. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-109628986758502872017-04-18T11:41:20.179-04:002017-04-18T11:41:20.179-04:00Question: if the police knew that this accident wa...Question: if the police knew that this accident was due to a truck cutting across four lanes of traffic to make an illegal left hand turn, why did they start ticketing cyclists instead of going after reckless truck drivers? All week people have been assuming this was an accident that happened under normal traffic conditions, but the police must have known from their own report that this truck hit the cyclist head on, not while trying to turn. Therefore, there was no blind spot for the truck driver or aggressive cyclist beating the light that caused the accident, it was more likely caused by a truck rushing to get across First Avenue before the northbound traffic came his way.Giovannihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11061991537085810824noreply@blogger.com