tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post971138834218323580..comments2024-03-18T19:27:54.524-04:00Comments on EV Grieve: Empty East 11th Street lot will yield to 8 stories of affordable housingUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger49125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-77694702881598336742012-12-31T10:24:41.057-05:002012-12-31T10:24:41.057-05:00does any one remember a bar , called'' gol...does any one remember a bar , called'' gold bar'' , on ave b or , mid 80s to early 90s , ,.... very austere . minimalist -industrial .. in a former liquor store..... --------VH MACKENZIE , U SAY UVE LIVED THER SINCE 1989 OR THE OWNER OF EV GRIEVE ... du u remember its address or location ... i pretty sure it wasnt advertised or even marked from the street .........ANY INFO , PLEASE ......THANKS , DAVIDAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-56684423745008138392012-10-07T17:12:56.590-04:002012-10-07T17:12:56.590-04:00I agree with the posters who find the design of th...I agree with the posters who find the design of the building unappealing, but let's face it: All of the new construction going up in the city is ugly. I don't think there is much to be done about that. But aesthetics aside, I am very happy for the people in need who will have their own homes thanks to this project. The East Village has long been about helping those who need assistance, and this project just reaffirms that. I am not so sure about the need for the passageway running next to this building from 11th Street and providing another entry point into Sauer Park. I am sure most parents are fine with their simply being the one entrance on 12th Street. It's easier to keep track of the kids when you know they only have one potential exit point. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-66041990457697776722012-10-07T12:51:16.867-04:002012-10-07T12:51:16.867-04:00I'm pretty amazed by the NIMBYs too. I work w...I'm pretty amazed by the NIMBYs too. I work with emotionally disturbed young adults & finding appropriate housing for them as they get older is very hard. Just about to see one of my students move into a newly created apartment in Harlem and am very happy for him. He's a great guy, and much loved by anyone that takes the time to get to know him. Just because someone has psychiatric problems doesn't mean they can't be a great neighbor too. Love the comment about sending people off to the Bronx or Queens ... or was I just missing the sarcasm? A newish center near me in Brooklyn is housing a similar population of adults & seems to be working fine. It comes down to proper planning/supervision and getting to know people as individuals, not just as the diagnosed. Yes there can be problems, but everyone deserves a space to call their own.onemorefoldedsunsethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05995652957356064546noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-13299926600998951712012-10-05T21:57:02.762-04:002012-10-05T21:57:02.762-04:00Or it could be a bookie joint. Where’s Sal Mineo w...Or it could be a bookie joint. Where’s Sal Mineo when you need him? “Nah, there’s’ dis warehouse on Ave A” etc. I am beginning to think guys like us don’t have chance as well in the EV and it’s NOT a temporary condition. On a serious note, this is not a meth clinic. Like @11thStBtwn and ANONY 6:14 PM said, there’s a need for such a facility. With some community input, maybe it does have to be so damn ugly. Re Westville, with cooler weather coming, most of the vocal fry clientele will be contained in the interior. Except for the brunch lines but rubes will be rubes. I know, I am obsessed by vocal fry, I need to move on. Like Louis C.K., it drives me nuts.<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOKYW_Ko6Zw<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=pJ51BNYXbV4<br /><br />Crazy Eddienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-58697544557795279982012-10-05T19:16:01.647-04:002012-10-05T19:16:01.647-04:00The issue is not "a building of crazies"...The issue is not "a building of crazies". The issue is that yet another large ugly glass buiding is thrust in our faces under the guise of 'affordable housing'. Affordable housing, luxury housing, WHATEVER, it's still a large ugly building that we have to look at every day.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-87279642605148605202012-10-05T18:14:47.735-04:002012-10-05T18:14:47.735-04:00CA offers a dignified alternative to New Yorkers s...CA offers a dignified alternative to New Yorkers suffering from mental illness and substance abuse. Please understand, first their clients go into a heavily supervised group home. Once they are stabilized, they are placed in their own home and are offered continuous support; including job training, medical care and an on site social worker. Things like learning to keep a clean home, how to care for a pet, or even socialize with neighbors are all learned skills. CA helps teach people who may not have had the basic life lessons that most of us take for granted. <br /><br />Before you freak out about a building full of crazies, check out their website and watch some of their videos. This org. really has done a lot to help people. It started right here in the EV with one broken down reclaimed building in 1974!<br /><br />comunityaccess.org<br /><br />Having said that I will add; yes the building is ugly.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-20571537448839180232012-10-05T18:05:46.474-04:002012-10-05T18:05:46.474-04:00I live on the block (have lived in the East Villag...I live on the block (have lived in the East Village for 5 years), and I work in finance. You know why I do? Because I like numbers. I also need to pay off my student loans and take care of my mentally disabled adult brother. Housing for the disabled is a major issue and the shortage of it is significant. This is a great idea if it is managed properly, for the benefit of both the current residents and the new ones. However, the distaste for young people and especially those with careers in finance is very disheartening. I pay market rent because I can and am not trying to take affordable options away from those who can't afford it. I also support local businesses, which is a major reason why I love the East Village. I take the $ paid to me by The Giant Vampire Squid and place it in the cash registers of places like Tompkins Square Bagel, Mud Truck, and BAD Burger. And yes, as much as people hate on Westville, that is a thriving local business as well. I think younger people would be more inclined to get involved in the community if there wasn't a "we were here first and now you are ruining it" attitude held by people in the EV. 11thStBtwnAndBPleasenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-70073805618270535312012-10-05T14:47:32.770-04:002012-10-05T14:47:32.770-04:00@we$tville
Are you really Westville? I don't ...@we$tville<br /><br />Are you really Westville? I don't think that it's right that you clog up the whole street with Yuppies. I also don't understand how anyone can support your establishment. I was at a CB3 meeting once and I noticed that many neighbors showed up to oppose you, except for one guy who came to support you. He lives right in your building. I forget his name. Shane, Sean something? Anyhow, how dare you say that about the senior housing on the block. I love the seniors there. They really hate Westville and the Yuppies andYunnies that reside here now. They just don't understand how people can be rude. One of the seniors told me she thinks that these people are not real. Ha ha!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-86973586280630718972012-10-05T14:01:22.320-04:002012-10-05T14:01:22.320-04:00The building itself is too big and is ugly.
The building itself is too big and is ugly.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-35190851916599874772012-10-05T12:11:16.863-04:002012-10-05T12:11:16.863-04:00Hey anon 8:22: Screw you.
I've managed to sta...Hey anon 8:22: Screw you. <br />I've managed to stay here through years of hard work. And so what if I pay $1,500 instead of $3K? I also live in a disgusting tenement, not a refurbished "luxury" space. Have you ever paid attention to the vacancy rates in Manhattan? The ONLY way you can justify paying so much god-damned rent is by staying put and benefiting from stabilization. Can I help it if you're too stupid to get rent-stabilized housing? I deserve to live here too, even amongst all this White Privilege. And you know what? I'm not leaving. I welcome these struggling newcomers; their stories are likely far more interesting than yours, the NYC portion of which will probably be short (or we're all hoping). editrrixhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11316299523717724844noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-78765498804696857392012-10-05T11:40:04.047-04:002012-10-05T11:40:04.047-04:00"I'm surprised by all the negative commen..."I'm surprised by all the negative comments on this board" <br /><br />Seriously ? That's all anyone does on this board and in the East Village. If you didn't notice, the web site name has the word GRIEVE in it. Get it ?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-52608056955836028662012-10-05T11:28:30.004-04:002012-10-05T11:28:30.004-04:00The building does not fit in with the rest of the ...The building does not fit in with the rest of the block. I hope that it doesn't block all the sunlight to the garden on 12th Street. That is a beautiful place to relax on a nice day.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-15117335906116232042012-10-05T11:06:44.009-04:002012-10-05T11:06:44.009-04:00The 47% have spoken.The 47% have spoken.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-74897968917098955462012-10-05T10:22:49.684-04:002012-10-05T10:22:49.684-04:00It's disheartening to read some of these negat...It's disheartening to read some of these negative comments. Be glad you have your health and hope that some day, if you ever need assistance, you'll be fortunate enough to be living in a neighborhood of compassionate and tolerant people.<br /><br />But, this is the new EV - where everything goes, as long as it's NIMBY.Cosmohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02520062718515861987noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-6201332216612799412012-10-04T23:43:34.105-04:002012-10-04T23:43:34.105-04:00Watch "The Super ", filmed right at that...Watch "The Super ", filmed right at that location. From the 80's.Then comment on the block. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-85710421168910614342012-10-04T23:18:27.607-04:002012-10-04T23:18:27.607-04:00I live on this block -- and, yeah, actually on th...I live on this block -- and, yeah, actually on the block, a few doors west on the opposite side of the street -- and I found myself reading through these comments and going back and forth, trying to figure out which side of the debate would win me over.<br /><br />I've lived on this block since '89 and my building was probably one of the first gut renovations that could be classified as a gentrifying presence on the block. The rest of the street had long gone to hell-inna-handbasket, at least as far as I, a newcomer back then, could tell. I was afraid to walk east after dark. Hell, I wasn't so crazy about walking west after dark either but I kept my head down, minded my own business and just avoided the smack/crack dealers and users, stepping over the latter in my doorway on many occasions.<br /><br />On the other hand, I'm not crazy about the neighborhood being turned into Luxury Central. The old gangstah parking garage across the street was turned into luxury condos, growing several stories in the process. The NYC bath house that had descended into chop-shop status for years, was bought by Eddie Adams and turned into a high-end production studio. <br /><br />So now that I mull over this new addition to the block, I have to say that I think it is a fair and balanced choice (tho I think that rendering doesn't inspire confidence, aesthetically speaking). Consider the make up of the block:<br /><br />1. Luxury condos<br />2. One bar now that Angels and Kings is gone<br />3. A senior citizens home on the corner of 11th and A<br />4. We have a church with weekend soup kitchen and ice-cream storefront shop<br />5. Yes, a couple of subsidized housing buildings<br />6. My building is one of at least 2 of the co-ops on the block, not luxury but modest and well maintained.<br />7.We have a great bodega mid block, shout-out to Caesar y sus hermanos.<br />8. Pizza on the other corner 11&B -- half "joint" and half "decent restaurant space."<br />9. The aforementioned high-end production studio owned by Eddie Adams' widow in the old bath house.<br /> 10. Now a low-income building which is not just for the mentally disabled but also for formerly-homeless people.<br /> <br />So, all things considered, I think our block has been evolving into a good mix and I have to give a thumbs up to the affordable housing.VH McKenziehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15758245677856344651noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-45370298982939052722012-10-04T23:04:47.923-04:002012-10-04T23:04:47.923-04:00anybody here remember the men's shelter at 8 e...anybody here remember the men's shelter at 8 east 3rd street, 2-3?<br />the kenton and 5 other sros on the bowery?<br />the salvation army at 3rd & 3rd?<br />the salvation army o avenue a?<br />girl's town on 12th street1-2?<br />the teen-age prison on 12th street 2-3?<br />the many many medicaid mills?<br />the methadone centers?<br />the real problem is when there is an over saturation of mostly poorly run large facilities. it only takes two or three disruptive clients to cause problems.<br />and the people in power in this city seem to concentrate disruptive facilities into a few neighborhoods.<br />the history of bad facilities in this community, and the huge battle to humanize them, makes folks suspicious when a new facility is proposed.<br />history repeats itself too often.blue glassnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-89563164222255891732012-10-04T22:58:12.515-04:002012-10-04T22:58:12.515-04:00My only concern is the proposed passage way to a c...My only concern is the proposed passage way to a children's park. Sauer gets locked up by the parks department early evenings, this new entrance will make the park more difficult to keep an eye on and I don't doubt teens will be finding their way in at night to party. Sauer was salvaged from drug dealers and the homeless in the early 90's by the 12th street block association. One of the park rules is adults should be accompanied by a child, this was to keep potential trouble out. Remove the toilet and park passage and I'm on board. <br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-19423094111209693612012-10-04T22:23:06.140-04:002012-10-04T22:23:06.140-04:00There is actually a lot of permanent housing (most...There is actually a lot of permanent housing (mostly SROs) on the Upper West Side, less so on the Upper East, but more than you may think. Perhaps not as much as the LES, but it is not limited to here. And there is a ton of housing being built in the outer boroughs, but sadly there is still not enough housing to meet the ever surging need.<br /><br />Additionally, the idea that people with mental illness are violent more often than not untrue. Please take the time to educate yourself. See: http://www.samhsa.gov/mentalhealth/understanding_Mentalllness_Factsheet.aspx<br /><br />Finally, plenty of us living in "regular" apartment buildings live next door to people who are mentally ill, or formerly homeless, or current/former substance users. Not everyone dealing with those issues end up in supportive housing. Lnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-87286110479079232972012-10-04T20:39:30.822-04:002012-10-04T20:39:30.822-04:00Doesn't anyone build brownstone type buildings...Doesn't anyone build brownstone type buildings anymore. You know, made out of brick. Why does everything new have to be glass and tall. It will stand out like a sore thumb.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-32318803099391231652012-10-04T20:22:40.354-04:002012-10-04T20:22:40.354-04:00editrrix: "The East Village should be for EVE...editrrix: "The East Village should be for EVERYONE" Why ? If you can't afford to live here then get out. Let me guess...rent stablized tenant.<br /><br />This will not help with the bar situation. It was a vacant lot. A vacant lot that those on the block wanted to convert into a garden & join to the garden & park on 12th Street but Margarita Lopez insisted on low income housing. <br />If it's such a great idea how come Margarita & Rosie don't move in some homeless, mentally ill chaps in the garden next to their home ?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-16096058507459832962012-10-04T20:15:31.642-04:002012-10-04T20:15:31.642-04:00It's easy to be compassionate when you don'...It's easy to be compassionate when you don't live on the same block.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-8587246279454549872012-10-04T20:02:51.209-04:002012-10-04T20:02:51.209-04:00The building is too tall and as another poster men...The building is too tall and as another poster mentioned, we have more than our share of low income housing on the block plus a church with a soup kitchen line that runs down the whole block. I'm sure most of the supporters are rent-stablized moochers. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-44838569255308211322012-10-04T19:29:58.156-04:002012-10-04T19:29:58.156-04:00Oh and to the person saying don't raise your k...Oh and to the person saying don't raise your kids here, that's ridiculous. My son lived his whole life in this building with the CA neighbors with zero problems. He learned how to live with diversity and to be tolerant. His shock came when he went to college and met his first republicans who weren't adults..Jillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04362859175287085919noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-49462931175206247752012-10-04T19:26:09.935-04:002012-10-04T19:26:09.935-04:00What kind of mean people here who would deny housi...What kind of mean people here who would deny housing to people who need help if its near you. You don't like them living on the sidewalk and now you don't want them living inside if its on your block either. Wow.<br /><br /> I live in a building with 3 units rented to CA tenants for at least rhe past 15 years, maybe more, i cant quite remember when they arrived. <br /><br />Overall they are fine. Every now and then there is a crisis where someone loses their key or dies in the hallway. Once there was a very creepy guy who would open his door all the time causing one wall streeter to break his lease and move to a doorman building. I couldn't really blame him for choosing to spend his $3k elsewhere, that guy was scary. We like to think their presence keeps out riffraff like that kid who couldn't hack it.<br /><br /> If there is ever a problem the staff are responsive and there is always someone on duty.Jillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04362859175287085919noreply@blogger.com