An EVG tipster shared the following missive with us from the senior director of resident relations for Stuy Town-Peter Cooper Village:
In an effort to keep PCVST occupied with only registered dogs, Public Safety is requiring all dog owners to hang their dog’s registration tag from the leash handle. Complimentary lanyards are now available to clip on to the handle of the leash so that the registration tag can be clearly visible. After April 30th, 2016, anyone walking a dog on property without a lanyard and tag will be asked to leave the grounds, including dog walkers who walk PCVST dogs along with non-registered dogs.
The lanyard and clips are now available for pickup at the Resident Services Office at 276 1st Avenue Loop and Public Safety at 2 Stuyvesant Oval. If your dog is already registered, simply show your dog’s registration tag to the receptionist and you’ll be given a lanyard.
Per the EVG tipster: "They should worry about out-of-control delivery guys, residents who don't clean up after their dogs and woo-ers."
A lot of people come into Stuy Town to walk their dogs, don't pick up after them, and give the responsible ST dog owners a bad name. There's already a huge divide between the dog owners and non dog owners, so keep them out. It's private property. Unless there's a circus in the Oval but that's another story.
ReplyDeleteThe real problem with Stuy Town is they have lots of rules and don't enforce any of them. This will only work is public safety is empowered to enforce the rules.
Well, this is a major drag. I live in the east village and often walk my dog through Stuy Town on the way to Stuyvesant Cove (in other words, the strip along the water below 23rd but above East River Park). It's just a pleasant way to go. I always clean up after my dog, of course! East River Park has become a little out of control with all the dogs off leash, which is hard for my dog to be around. Stuy Town and the Cove are more peaceful. Ugh, it just keeps getting harder to have a nice quality of life here! I know the Cove is public property and we'll still be allowed there, but it will be harder to access now.
ReplyDeleteThis is nothing but a new management company trying to announce its presence/ingratiate itself with its new subjects.
ReplyDeleteMgmt can make all the policies they want, but policies can only be effective as the security force assigned to enforce them. Which means they will not be very effective. STPCV "Public Safety" are systemically lazy and indifferent. They'll enforce the new policy for a few weeks, then they'll go back to their usual shiftless ways. A security force who are glued to the seats of their SUVs is hardly a security force at all IMO.
7:54 as a ST resident I still welcome you and your dog. What is the legality of this policy? I know that ST is a public access facility. I wouldn't sweat it too much. Keep using ST as your passage. If you get caught, so what. What's the worst that could happen? You are not going to get cited or anything. A citation is a fair amount of paperwork and in most cases more than a "Public Safety" "officer" is qualified to handle.
i did not know that stuyvesant town/peter cooper village were private in that you cannot walk through them - with or without a dog.
ReplyDeleteIsn't this illegal? When StuyTown and Peter Cooper were created, they were granted existing city streets and avenues, with the understanding that they must leave a right of way for people who do not live there to pass through. That includes their dogs. As much as StuyToiwn likes to think it is a gated community, it is not -- was granted city property with the understanding it would remain open to all.
ReplyDeleteI would really like to know the extent to which Stuy Town can kick someone out of the property ... legally. For example, I've heard for years that outside parents with kids aren't allowed to use their playgrounds. Is this actually legally true? It was public land ... and that's a public space on the land... if a group of people isn't causing trouble... can they still kick them out?
ReplyDeleteI've googled this a bit and so far not found any real info on the matter. I was actually hoping for a NYT article or something.
Have you folks ever looked at oldnyc.org? Closer to 1st ave on 14th st, beautiful and well kept up buildings were town down to build of Stuy town.. and that's just one small section. Not to mention the streets that were incorporated into it.
I am mixed about this, I don't like the idea of a "gated community" on public land however I'm sure this rule was not made up on a whim and a history of lazy dog owners... is at the root of this. I live on E 12th btw A-B which is a really nice block with one small and one very large community garden and of course the children's playground called Sauer Park. There is never a minute of the day that you not see someone walking their dog and enjoying the trees and plants on the block. We also have a ton of dog poop on our sidewalks and the new trend with some people to bag it then leave it. I know that most the people walking don't live on the block and that is fine until they leave a pile on the sidewalk for residents to ether pickup or step over. Of course if people showed a little respect and follow the poop scoop law none of this would be needed.
ReplyDeleteSome of the posters here must be new to the hood, not sure why they think it's a public space like a park or something? It is not. ST and PCV did not allow dogs on the property AT ALL for many years.
ReplyDelete"Isn't this illegal? " "That includes their dogs."
ReplyDeleteSorry, it's not. Dogs are not "people". As Cesar Millan always says: "Dog is animal". It's private property with public access. That’s why one ANYONE can walk through the property but only tenants can have dogs and walk them within the property, use the playgrounds or attend sponsored events. Being private property also means they can regulate the property as long as that does not interfere with the "public access” law. Before Tishman Speyer (Rob and Jerry, may you both rot in hell-BTW, Cuomo LOVES them) unilaterally allowed dogs here without ANY thought of the enforcement aspects, dogs were not allowed on the property. Period. Management is well within its legal right here to ask non tenant dog walkers whose dogs are not registered by management, for them to leave the property or fine them since Stuytown Security officers are also Public Safety (PS) officers as well and they have been given the training and the legal right to fine and arrest (hold for NYPD) if needed, trespassers.
Now the question of actually enforcing such regs when PS is overwhelmed and short staffed and has been forced to become RA’s for the thousands of the screaming, parental funded, transient, zero empathy, NYU, Parsons and New School Bros/OMGs that are everywhere now in this once diverse community, that’s the million dollar question.
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Accessibility to Stuy Town has always been a very contentious issue... It's less of a dog related issue (which I think people can sympathize with... people not picking up after them and all that) and more of a fact that Stuy Town acts like a semi gated community in Manhattan. I personally have an issue with the very idea of that.
ReplyDeleteYou can find dog poop & litter anywhere in Manhattan. There is not an abundance of either in Stuytown...just more nonsense harassment from STPCV management
ReplyDeleteIs this actually legal?
ReplyDeleteState law forbids any municipality or township from enacting animal control laws more severe than the state. Certainly STPCV can enact any pet policy they chose on their property and in their buildings. The question of legality resides on what their arrangement is with city regarding ownership & jurispudence over the roads, sidewalks and public access space. This represents 24 blocks of Manhattan
ReplyDeleteThe only reason the former mgmt started allowing dogs - against many residents' wishes - was to cash in on license fees. Now the new mgmt is just trying to dial things back a bit for those of us who moved here in part for the dog free, bike free quiet.
ReplyDeleteThey should also be more concerned about the barriers management has been erecting at every entrance to the Oval. These are HARDLY ADA compliant and does nothing but inconvienence residents. I early get run over by bikers in a daily basis and security does nothing. I asked one of them once and they said nothing can be done to cite them, as none carry IDs and cannot just ticket the restaurant. Ridiculous.
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