Monday, August 8, 2022

On 5th Street, some residents say they want green space and not senior housing

Some residents are speaking out against proposed plans that would see a 75-unit senior housing facility erected on Fifth Street between First Avenue and Second Avenue. 

As the name implies, the group, called the 5th Street Park Coalition, wants a park for the space adjacent to P.S. 751 and currently used as a parking lot for the 9th Precinct on the block...
The housing on this block is one of the points of agreement that came out of the City Council vote to approve the controversial SoHo/NoHo rezoning this past December

According to a press release issued afterward by the offices of Council members Margaret Chin and Carlina Rivera, who brokered the plan, this "housing-first rezoning" would create affordable housing on city-owned sites, including on Hudson Street and Fifth Street "under current zoning." (The city press release is here.)

While the Soho/Noho rezoning still faces lawsuits from NYU and local residents, the 5th Street Park Coalition is making its case against the "airspace-clamoring structure for 75 residential units of characterless senior housing."
Instead, the group puts forth this suggestion (via their website): 
We advocate an underground parking lot for the police department with a public park and playground above it, in collaboration with the DEP, to create more open green space, with a view of the 1905-built Flemish renaissance-revival school (P.S. 751) — to preserve the health of the neighborhood in the midst of many big changes coming soon from other developers. 
Nearby development projects include a 21-story office building on Fourth Street at the Bowery ... an 11-story residential building on Second Avenue between Second Street and Third Street... and a 9-story office building on Third Avenue and St. Mark's Place. Not to mention the never-ending condo construction at 75 First Ave. at Fifth Street. 

86 comments:

Neighbor said...

Wow, screw these people. The neighborhood has tons of green space and desperately needs more housing. These people seriously fighting against affordable housing and housing for seniors? How tone deaf! This is exactly how housing prices continue to go up and we become San Francisco - a bastion for the people who were lucky enough to live there before anyone else dated move in.

Anonymous said...

What a great idea! We can put in a park and perhaps the seniors can put up tents and create a Hoovertown in the park. I can't wait until those who object to affordable senior housing get to the age where they can no longer afford market rents and need someplace to live. Perhaps they too can sit in the park.

Anonymous said...

Curious as to who this “group” is, I went to the website last week when I first saw the sign.
There is no contact information for this “group.” The site asks for your email address for updates, but has no information about the makeup of the “coalition” or who owns the .com site, only “the author” as the owner of the site. Googling the 5th Street Park Coalition brings no results. Who is this anonymous group or individual if this is legitimate? Or is someone collecting email addresses for some unknown reason?

Anonymous said...

It is difficult for me to fathom the mentality that would oppose affordable housing. So what are you going to do? Opt for a parking lot for the police? Or housing for low-income people? I know this neighborhood has gone through tremendous changes over the years, but I never thought this is where we would end up. And the "we want a park" tag - so tone deaf, so cavalier, and, more important, so irrelevant. No one asked you if you wanted a park.

Anonymous said...

This is so dumb I bet it’s just trolling. Anything would be an improvement over a parking lot though.

Anonymous said...

When has government housing ever improved a neighborhood?

Anonymous said...

We have enough trouble keeping Tompkins Sq Park in shape, this would only become a drug haven. Police precinct or not nearby.

Anonymous said...

Affordable housing LES? lottery for 4 units in each new building going up? You'd be surprised how many seniors are still living on the LES 6 floor walkup. Waiting list up to 10 years for one of these senior affordable apartments.

Anonymous said...

Hi 7:21a.m. "The neighborhood has tons of green space" - You are mistaken
We lost 57 acres of irreplaceable 80 year old trees/green space along the east river.

From 5th St. Park Coalition's Site:
"We advocate an underground parking lot to replace the current one, with a public park and playground above, in collaboration with the DEP, to preserve the airspace, existing trees, and view of the 1905-built Flemish renaissance-revival school (P.S. 751)—to preserve the health of the neighborhood in the face of many big changes coming from large developments."

Anonymous said...

Honestly, why would seniors want to leave in East Village?? If they can't afford the rent, they should move places where it is cheaper perhaps Florida. With climate change summers in NYC are only going to get hotter, and we need more trees and park space to keep the city viable.

DrGecko said...

There isn't even any publicly available information on who owns the website. 'whois 5thstreetpark.com' gives this:

Registrant Name: Contact Privacy Inc. Customer 7151571251

Nope, nope, not shady at all. Nope.

Anonymous said...

There’s not enough public spaces in the neighborhood. 75 units will benefit 150 individuals, park space will benefit thousands of people.

Anonymous said...

Thanks to the 70s and 80s disintegration of EV buildings left and right, there’s already tons of gardens around. Join one, it’s nice. More housing sounds like a good idea, especially considering how insane the rents are these days.

Anonymous said...

@8:56 am. We have not lost 57 acres of parkland. We will gain 57 acres of a rebuilt, resilient park that will continue to serve generations on the LES and EV.

Anonymous said...

Also mentioned in this posting is that NYU is suing, regarding zoning laws. NYU has a lot of nerve. Over the decades they have been buying up property all over town, constantly removing the flavor from our hood. And they don’t pay properly taxes even though they are a private organization, making tons of profit. They also have a documented history of being a terrible landlord to the retail shops that unfortunately have storefronts in their properties, being very difficult to deal with when leases come up for renewal. They should be taxed like all other landlords. Or better yet, they should move to the UES and buy up that neighborhood. But that would never happen because the rich snooty people that live up there have more say than we do.

Anonymous said...

MAYBE BC THEIR FAMILIES LIVE HERE??????

Anonymous said...

We have indeed lost 57 acres of parkland. With the city's history of choice of vendors it will probably take 10 years to complete the construction no matter what they promise. Add to that 25 years of growth for the new trees to come anywhere near the size of the 1,000 50-year-old trees to regrow. Clearly you do not currently use East River Park or you'd realize what a disaster this is for the neighborhood when an 8 foot wall between the park and the FDR (which was initially approved) would have sufficed.

Brian Van said...

It is pretty typical for some people who already have stable housing to claim that other people without housing don't really need it, if it will inconvenience them in some way. We keep seeing a lot of that.

Haven Green, 5th Street... makes me curious, which senior housing buildouts do these people actually support? (Is it something utterly impractical like trying to bully a private hotel/office developer building something as-of-right on an avenue lot into building a hospice instead?)

Anonymous said...

Senior Housing is better than affordable housing for the general public but really, if you can't live here then you should live elsewhere. We do need more parks and we shouldn't have to live in a canyon with skyscrapers abound because someone can't afford to live here. Newsflash: people lucky enough to win a lottery for affordable housing will still complain that everything is too expensive. Instead of complaining you should find a way to make a better living.

Sarah said...

"We do need more parks and we shouldn't have to live in a canyon with skyscrapers abound"

You live in Manhattan. It's dense. That's the point.

"Instead of complaining you should find a way to make a better living."

As a senior??? Yeah, let's turn Gramma out to scrub floors in a Midtown office building at night. She should've been smarter and had a rich mommy and daddy.

Anonymous said...

"There isn't even any publicly available information on who owns the website. 'whois 5thstreetpark.com' gives this:

Registrant Name: Contact Privacy Inc. Customer 7151571251

Nope, nope, not shady at all. Nope."

As has been noted by this post and several others, this is it. All the other posts are deflections.

Anonymous said...

@10:48 is 100% Wrong. Build the housing. We have way more green space than most neighborhoods. To compare a 75-unit building to skyscrapers is ludicrous. Most of the east village is no taller than 4-5 stories...

Anonymous said...

Maybe because most of the seniors here today MADE this neighborhood the place you wanted to move to. We built it from nothing, brought creative talents from all over the world, built and supported unique businesses and made this a vibrant neighborhood. We fought for women’s rights, LGBTQ+ rights that East Villagers enjoy today. Yeah, right, send us to Florida with DeSantis, no rights, little culture, none of the relationships we’ve built over decades, nor our doctors, lawyers, accountants…

Anonymous said...

"Senior Housing is better than affordable housing for the general public but really, if you can't live here then you should live elsewhere. We do need more parks and we shouldn't have to live in a canyon with skyscrapers abound because someone can't afford to live here. Newsflash: people lucky enough to win a lottery for affordable housing will still complain that everything is too expensive. Instead of complaining you should find a way to make a better living."

It didn't take long for the "move to" line to appear on this thread. The REBNY/RSA entitlement/self centered/white privilege trolling is strong in this one.

NOTORIOUS said...

Welcome to Portlandia where we protest senior housing...

Anonymous said...

I'm not saying we should put grandma to work. I'm saying grandma should have saved her money in the 60's instead of getting high all day.

Neighbor said...

I am so heartened by the almost universal outrage against this absurdity in this comment section. Hopefully this gets squashed equally quickly.

Anonymous said...

The privilege on display here is breathtaking. As mentioned above, the seniors are the usually lower income, interesting creatives who made this neighborhood the place you so want to live in. They are the people who lived here when it was too scary a neighborhood to visit for the parents and grandparents who finance the kids with the lavish lifestyles who live here now. We need parks. We need senior housing. We need both badly. Too bad we live in a society where capitalism trumps all and private/public can't seem to work together for the common good.

Anonymous said...

Of course people want green space. If they’re going to tear down the largest park for 10 years then people are going to campaign for green space elsewhere, clearly the large costal parks are subject to renovation. I hope they win.

Anonymous said...

Hey! I have an idea: if you want more public spaces, more open air, more trees, fewer “skyscrapers,” why don’t YOU move to Florida?

Anonymous said...

I think they're trolling too.

Anonymous said...

Seniors need to live upstate where property is cheap. This is another example of dumb government overspending that will benefit a few dozen and cost millions. You can built 3 senior housing projects outside the city for the cost of one in les.

Anonymous said...

“Grandma” was making 30-50% less to the dollar for the same work her male counterparts were making. “Grandma” was spending her free time and energy to change that.

Anonymous said...

" I hope they win."

As someone who fought against the current ESCR Chin/Rivera/BdB/REBNY/Construction Union horror show of a plan, the question still not answered is who are they?

Anonymous said...

That's cold. Can't wait for you to get old and have some young person critique your life choices.
Perhaps lack of time spent soul-building. Best of luck to you saving all your money and judging others.

Anonymous said...

Grandma was raising kids as a single parent with little or no child support and no affordable day care.

Grandma/grandpa had savings but one catastrophic health issue wiped her/him out: 1 bout of cancer, 1 heart surgery. Good health insurance was hard to come by with any previous health issues.
Grandma/grandpa had retirement savings but was wiped out by not 1 but 2 market crashes and started over for the third time when unprecedented inflation hit.
Grandma/grandpa used what would/could have been retirement savings to put kids through college, never anticipating the huge increase in college costs (and of course, said kids didn’t want to go to city colleges or state schools). Now the kids have a college degree and can afford to hang out in the EV and buy $18 cocktails on a regular basis…

Xeo said...

"Seniors need to live upstate where property is cheap" - anon 1:04pm

Alright so let's be clear... you're advocating for the city to be only for the young and rich.
Also how heartless can you be to tell people who have hypothetically lived here all their lives to "move upstate" where they have NO connections and have obviously not chosen to live.

I you better hope that you get better treatment when you're older than what you're currently advocating for...

Anonymous said...

Of course you won’t have any financial challenges! You’re well invested in cryptocurrency! And we need more green spaces - ignoring the environmental issues of crypto..

Sarah said...

It's well known that it's cheaper for everyone for seniors to age in place in their communities than to move to somewhere where they have no ties and all services must be provided by the market or the state. I mean, I doubt the person posting these comments has any kind of non-commercial relationship with other human beings, but most people help out their elderly family members/friends/fellow-church-members/etc. with tasks that would otherwise require professional, and expensive, assistance.

Anonymous said...

lotta old people should leave the nabe bordering on hate in his thread kinda weird because if it wasn't for the efforts of many of us old folks younger folk would not want to live here now i assure you
A community ( and definitely not this one) is not just one demographic if you replaced your old people stance with race you know what you'd be right

as an old person who's lived in the neighborhood for most of my 60+ years (ok 70 but who's counting) this is not the same thing as loosing east river park for a decade. or a $$$condo going up where people died to make the building go away

the lands' use is currently a parking lot single tier at that
Any Truly Affordable housing is a more productive use of that space than green space with that sized foot print if your talking about having green to offset the concrete the green could be replicated on the roof and even the sides of the building

When built hopefully it will mean that 75 homes for older folks who want to stay in their community is say Right On!

we lost the old folks home on B to a rich people condo a decade ago so this is a good move Rivera actually did a good thing here

John Penley said...

Hell yeah let us old folks die houseless on the streets. I bet these same aholes are complaining about the growing numbers of houseless living on streets all over the neighborhood.

Anonymous said...

NYC needs more senior housing. Seniors in the city are the most discriminated NYers and their crap SSI checks aren't even close to covering rent, food, medicine, etc. The space where they could put up the housing is underutilized; senior housing can help a few hundred people have a decent lifestyle in a city that's doing its best to push out the poor and middle class. You get what you vote for.

Anonymous said...

Why build it so 75 senior folks/couples win the "lottery"?? A park benefits EVERYONE. It benefits the entire community.

Anonymous said...

With your comments, I wonder what your idea of “community “ is. Dozens or hundreds of individuals using park benches doesn’t make a “community.” Support for one’s neighbors and knowledge and respect for the neighborhood’s history does.

Neighbor said...

People like @4:37pm are the reason that housing will continue to become more and more unaffordable. Do not let people like this gain power or influence in this city.

Sarah said...

Having our seniors living in safe and dignified housing benefits our community, too.

Let's not kid ourselves, the people fussing here aren't concerned about the community, they're concerned about their property values. (Hence the emphasis on "inexpensive.") Shame on you all.

Anonymous said...

We desperately need more affordable housing and senior housing. Seniors who live here deserve to live in good conditions, and comments about going somewhere "they can afford" are so incredibly mean. You want them to go to trailer parks in Florida? Rather than staying in NYC, where they can take the bus, walk to KeyFood and church, and maintain dignity and independence? Cities are good for the elderly and we need to provide them with housing so they can continue to enjoy the community they have built here. I hope people who already enjoy stable housing (how many in rent-stabilized apartments, huh?) never experience being discarded by society the way these "park advocates" are doing to our seniors.

Anonymous said...

Please let us know exactly what age we must move upstate. And also let us know how old you are so we can mark it on our calendars when your time is up and we can evict you. My guess is that you are one of the rich kids from somewhere else, and daddy is paying your $4,000 rent. Go back to where you came from. You are heartless.

Anonymous said...

Just for a but of historical sense respective, the parking lot used to be open to the community at all hours. It had to be closed because it became a hub of violence, despite its proximity to the precinct. The final straw was after two people got in a fight in the lot and were stabbed.

Also, old people deserve to live in the neighborhood, too. None of us would want to live here now if they hadn’t lived here first.

Anonymous said...

Just a hunch, but the whole 'we need a park more than senior housing' initiative is so illogical & counter to [typically] fundamental neighborhood values it makes me think it's cover for another reason altogether.

My best guess is that the unidentified 'park people' are owners from 99 East 4th St, an elegant 1920s art deco condop building made up of 3 towers, with the rear-facing apartments of the 2 easternmost towers having relatively unobstructed north-facing views over the police parking lot, especially on the higher floors (see google maps satellite view).

It must be a property owner's nightmare to lose light & view (& value), perhaps made even worse by objecting to affordable senior housing if you actually support affordable senior housing, so you make up some BS story about needing more parks to achieve the same end & save face.

Anonymous said...

It’s not about being anti-senior, it’s about anti-development. We don’t need any more buildings. The streets, subways and buses are already way too crowded.

Anonymous said...

if i don't get to move upstate before i become a senior i probably ain't gonna make it. born n raised n dying to gtfo. PS: how about all these office buildings going up no one has commented on?
PPS: why can't we put some seniors on top of the rite aid? PPPS: how about a stilted building w a park underneath and maybe a turtle sanctuary?

Anonymous said...

re: 6:49PM You need to move out as soon as you cannot pay your bills.

Neighbor said...

This is insane!!! Do you have no concern for housing prices? The only way to control prices is to keep adding supply if the city is growing!!! @9:03 is another example of an insane viewpoint

Anonymous said...

to the ponce who think seniors should leave the LES and move to Florida so you can have a green space to drink your Starbucks... why don't you move back to Ohio?

Anonymous said...

Only privileged people can think this is ethical, we lost Cabrini and have little to no senior housing. Sad and shameful neighbors don’t want to give back to our seniors by giving them a space to age in place. NY has given me so much and am especially grateful to all the NYers who came before me.

410E9th said...

This is nuts
We need to take advantage of every opportunity to subsidize low income housing and increase low income stock (including and especially seniors). Otherwise all of lower manhattan is going to become a sterile, homogenous, playground for the rich - .....maybe that is the point.

410E9th said...

This isnt just anti-senior. This is anti subsidizing low income residents who wouldn't otherwise afford to live here, this anti the creation of deeply affordable housing, and this is anti-senior.

This march towards a homogeneous, play ground for the rich will continue if opposition to no brainer projects like this continue.

Anonymous said...

just to clarify--it is not senior or affordable housing. It is affordable senior housing--for low income seniors. Seniors who deserve to live in community with their friends and family and deserve to have relationships with their grandchildren and their long established friends, places of worship, social service organizations. I just cannot believe that people can be so mean about old people. very disheartening.

if you are antidevelopment--how about you give your home to a senior and you move to free up space.

Anonymous said...

For a mid-block site the massing study looks too small. There's no reason on this location not to go 20 or 25 stories, at least. Given the scarcity of development sites relative to the astronomic need, the site should be developed to its maximum potential.

Sarah said...

"We don’t need any more buildings." Just say NIMBY, dude from 99 E. 4th St. You got yours, who cares if other people need a place to live.
Geez.

If I didn't know better, I'd think this "group" was a fake operation designed to rally people against any proposed park.

Anonymous said...

This is untrue—we have far too little green space on our neighborhood, and less than other areas in the city.

Anonymous said...

The irony of all these "we need more park space" people is that they live in a much safer, cleaner and more developed EV than those of us who moved here in the 70's and 80's - a time when you couldn't go past 1st Ave at night and there were junkies and homeless everywhere. Let's not forget that the EV rivaled the Bronx for the title of most burned out buildings and empty lots back then, also.

They never saw the sidewalk "stores" lining the streets at night with stolen goods taken from their neighbors apartments. They never experienced the sight of crackheads in the morning, searching the sidewalks and curbs for vials with a forgotten rock left inside it, felt the joy of sleepless frustration from multiple car alarms going off through the night. And I'm pretty sure they never had to walk past dead junkies or had ever gotten mugged in broad daylight, in front of their own apartments.

So, have some empathy and respect for those of us who came during those times, fought for the parks and services that you now take for granted, and stayed to make this a neighborhood worth moving to for you.

Anonymous said...

And I want a winning MegaMillions or Powerball ticket. But, as The Rolling Stones so presciently sang, you can't always get what you want - and in this case, you shouldn't, 5th Street Park group.

XTC said...

@8:14-I was on of those people who lived in the EV in the early 80's but it's a very silly notion indeed that I could, collectively, take credit for for paving the way for others to move here. What actually happened was that the economy got better in the late 80's, art galleries were on every street, crime started to slowly go down, and gentrification happened. Voila!..........People with real money started to buy property and rehab buildings. In addition there was a long established community of Poles and Ukrainians. There were also tons of bars, music venues, basement sex clubs, etc. Using your rationale the 5St Park people would be right to say, hey, we made the EV even NICER so we should get first dibs on a park space.

Anonymous said...

All the negative comments in here about senior affordable housing are an illustration why I had to leave the east village (where I thought I would live my while lifetime) - mean, entitled, immature people. The EV for many, many people is not a temporary party spot or a place to live “for a while” before you move to Brooklyn or NJ or wherever. It’s a home. A community. With rich history.

Anonymous said...

This all illustrates how community is undermined by ruthless profiteers, inept or even corrupt politics and shocking ignorance. Remember, not long ago, the deed for the Rivington House nursing home was lifted to allow it being flip to in speculators for luxury development. Elected officials claimed no knowledge, paid lip-service to protest, and did nothing about it. Our community needs more green space and affordable homes especially for the elderly, including those who nourished through decades of volunteer service this community. Brutal irony that those who made EV nice & livable are being replaced by moneyed loud-mouths who find it cool as a backdrop. In a sense, homes were safer as homes before gentrification. We now have the choice whether we want markets to serve society or society to serve markets.

Anonymous said...

We already have a lot of senior housing in the neighborhood (and I am a senior). And the reason for building more ?. . . seniors are the first to be displaced by greedy landlords. So the solution: make housing affordable for everyone. Stop giving developers incentives to tear down housing stock and displace people -- who are most likely seniors living in old yet affordable housing stock.

Anonymous said...

"It must be a property owner's nightmare to lose light & view (& value), perhaps made even worse by objecting to affordable senior housing if you actually support affordable senior housing, so you make up some BS story about needing more parks to achieve the same end & save face"

This 7:28 PM post is spot on. As I have already said at this thread, most everything else posted here is a deflection from the real issue, this bogus, "pro-park", cryptic organization. But I'm glad there has been some fierce blow back to the unusual suspect Bro/white privilege/REBNY/troll "move to" comments.

Anonymous said...

Yes!! The trolls and their illogical rhetoric are very much burping through the comments for The Park!!! Yet, Trump rhetoric rules for the trolls!!! Wait--' is that you ??? Mar Lago??? Is that the future of EV aged??.

Anonymous said...

It’s illogical for someone to want a park on their block and for people to pay their own way ? Being born here does not entitle you to subsidized housing for your entire life.

XTC said...

Not sure what 7:28 and 4:12 are banging on about. The 5th St park people make perfectly clear they don't want or support a senior housing building on that site. The back of 99 E 4th has what looks a 14 ft courtyard that extends the length of the building. So there would be little loss of light, if any. As it stands there is a view of a parking lot so perfectly understandable that they would prefer a park rather than another cheap, ugly ass building regardless of who would live there. This issue seems no different than the one at the Elizabeth garden which is also a site of proposed senior housing which many people are against. And btw nowhere is it stated the senior housing would be exclusively reserved for people who are long term LES residents. In fact, the opposite is true. Even if you are a long term LES resident who applies for affordable housing you don't get to pick and choose where you go. You choose the borough, that's it. Irrespective of the sanctimonious anti-park hysteria I believe a park would be an excellent use of this public space.

Anonymous said...

"Not sure what 7:28 and 4:12 are banging on about."

Because of this:

"There isn't even any publicly available information on who owns the website. 'whois 5thstreetpark.com' gives this:

Registrant Name: Contact Privacy Inc. Customer 7151571251

Nope, nope, not shady at all. Nope."

Let them come out into the open with their POV which may be legit. Name names. But they are staying in the shadows. Why?

Anonymous said...

I doubt the people behind this "we want a park" nonsense are from 99 E. 4th St. The park people have grossly misrepresented the scope of the project. As far as any public information available so far shows, the housing will at 324 E. 5th, the police parking lot, which is behind the school on 4th St.It will not extend into the adjacent lot. These lots are city lots associated with the 4th St. school. I don't think they can take both lots away from the school. But whoever is behind this obviously worked closely with the precinct. And for the 9th precinct to oppose affordable on its block reflects badly on tghe precinct.

Anonymous said...

“ Let them come out into the open with their POV which may be legit. Name names. But they are staying in the shadows. Why?”

Says Anonymous 8:08am.

Anonymous said...

"“ Let them come out into the open with their POV which may be legit. Name names. But they are staying in the shadows. Why?”

Says Anonymous 8:08am."

Bogus deflection. This is a so called "not for profit" organization called the "5th Street Park Coalition" that has a webpage with no real background* info:


*"Founded by artists, designers and professionals who reside in the neighborhood, we are a not-for-profit organization of residents who are concerned about the loss of airpspace on our street. In a community full of opinions and preferences, people always disagree. We encourage active discussions and welcome heated debate, but personal attacks have no place in our organization." Proudly designed and coded by residents of 5th street and surrounding neighborhood."

Boilerplate background of "artists, designers", etc. Slick. Really?

"Proudly designed and coded by residents of 5th street and surrounding neighborhood."

Proudly? Of course they would not use the word "feebly". Who wrote this crap? BTW, EV lifer here.

Again, they may be legit in their pro park POV but IMO this organization does not pass the smell test. This is not one person posting anonymous on a blog.

Like you.

Anonymous said...

I would imagine that a group of residents formed a non-profit specifically because they'd prefer a park on their block. There's nothing shady about that. They don't need to put their resumes online for you to view their qualifications. If they live on the block then they should have the most say, not people who don't live in the immediate area.

Anonymous said...

They’re collecting email addresses without extending any information of who/what they are. For me, that’s an issue regardless of what they claim to stand for.

Anonymous said...

This thread is entertaining

Anonymous said...

They’re collecting email addresses without extending any information of who/what they are.

Then don’t give them your email address. They said who they are. They’re a group of residents who would prefer to have a park on their block instead of senior housing. That’s all you need to know.

Anonymous said...

They’re not accountable to you. They don’t owe you an explanation.

Anonymous said...

I live on the block. No one I know has opposition to a senior housing facility on the block. No one has been approached by a group or individual to join the We Want a Park group, they’ve never heard from anyone regarding this and we weren’t aware of any effort to build a park. The website is questionable in that the owner chooses to be anonymous, there is no contact info, yet we’re asked to give out our emails. I question the legitimacy of the site and the purpose of collecting emails. I find it hard to believe that any group looking for support from their neighbors would choose to have no contact information and be anonymous.
I completely support the right of neighbors to oppose a building but I also think it’s my responsibility to make these points to my neighbors who may not notice that the site may not be legit.

Anonymous said...

@8:25 PM I'm also a resident of 5th St and find it odd that this is the first sign of opposition to affordable housing among my neighbors. I find that attitude unacceptable, but I also understand that different people have different opinions. But this concept for a park over an underground parking lot sounds fantastical, to me. NYC has cut funding to schools, the Parks Dept, the DOT, etc. Do they really think the city is going to come in and spend many millions of dollars creating an undergound parking lot for the 9th Precinct and then leave, without creating anything of benefit to the city or community, such as affordable housing? They are NOT going to create a park. Let's face it, the city is not in a position to show up on random blocks and ask what kind of amenities residents would like.

Sunny D said...

The same thing was actually accomplished in Chelsea. A group of NIMBYs foiled the City's plan for the construction of an Affordable Housing apartment building, so that they could have a playground. An utter disgrace!!!

Steve Herrick said...

Cooper Square Committee has been advocating for senior housing on this site since 2020. We are glad that Councilmember Carlina Rivera negotiated an agreement with the city to include it its affordable housing plan. There's thousands of seniors in this community district on the senior housing waiting list, and so it is desperately needed.

The zoning for the site will allow for about 80 senior units. Zoning limits the height to 8 stories maximum, so it won't be a tower. The site is just the parking lot, not the adjacent playground so the park group's rendering is not correct.

I'm curious who the anonymous person(s) is/are behind this park idea. Why are they proposing it only after senior housing was announced? Have they ever been involved in any of the many community gardens our community has? The site has been police parking for decades. We had proposed that there could be below ground parking for the NYPD as part of this senior housing. The new housing will have a landscaped rear yard that could be made accessible to the public since there will be open space to the west of it.

Our goal is to get the city to put this site in a pilot community land trust project so that the new housing is permanently affordable and we welcome volunteers to help make this a reality.

Howard Brandstein said...

In this plan, as outlined by Steve Herrick, the community comes out far ahead. It creates 80 units of much needed senior housing while PRESERVING a substantial amount of open space on East 5th Street including the addition of a landscaped rear yard accessible to the community. As a proponent of defunding the police, as well as a political realist, I also think offering the 9th Precinct the underground garage is an astute compromise to move the project forward. If we can claim the sunlight and keep the cops in the basement, that's a step in the right direction.