tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post2175190860474019893..comments2024-03-29T08:18:11.731-04:00Comments on EV Grieve: SLA temporarily suspends the liquor license at St. Dymphna's on Avenue AUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger30125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-77491401009170666292020-09-02T13:19:56.850-04:002020-09-02T13:19:56.850-04:00This is a sad story. Yes, it’s rather disingenuous...This is a sad story. Yes, it’s rather disingenuous for the co-owner to fault “unfair targeting” rather than own up to flagrant, repeated violations. That is an understandable response, though, seeing that there are numerous policy and social issues colored grey in these interesting times. And you’ll see a quiet transformation, that from first posting a vow to “fight” the assessment, there follows this week a post begging donations to pay off the fine and legal fees. Perhaps in time there will be contrition. <br /><br />As for the criticism that St. D’s has become cliquish and exclusive, that has always been true, just as all bars and restaurants develop a certain character and crowd. Perhaps what the critic found offensive is the particular make-up of the ‘in crowd’. The former St. Marks St. Ds was egalitarian and broadly artistic, drawing a daytime crowd of affable soccer fans giving way to eccentrics, poets, SVA alum .. a tight dance of the mentally inflicted and vapid but stylish scensters. The outwardly douchey were either naturally discouraged or found no attraction in such a place, although in recent years the accommodating of NYU students made weekends less desirable for the locals. <br /><br />And the ‘new St Ds’? St Ds on A? What about its degree of hospitality and component of patrons does our fair critic find fault? Yes, it is a different ownership group, with a very young heir / silent investor with an edict from the get-go to attract and cater to the beautiful fabulists of the LES. Has that been at the expense of say, a ‘regular regular’ marginalized or frozen out like so many margaritas to go? Why does it matter? There are other bars! A great, great many other bars. And that’s how this tale might resolve itself, unfortunately to the detriment of the owners. <br /><br />I believe in private clubs. I think it proper and wonderful that each year, each generation a gang may form out of the city’s new blood, from England, Sweden, Columbia, even as far as upstate New York, that can bond, and call a place ‘home’, and that likewise, a club can say “there,, there are Our people” … such a kinship is stronger than a simple bar-patron relationship. Again, though, that is to the detriment of the owners. For these wonderful, outrageous scensters, agents, camera-men and other peripheral figures of the fashion industry will — and have — regroup and plant their flag elsewhere. Drink at say, one of the Josie’s but Like the St Ds Instagram. Where does that leave the owner? <br /><br />Sadly, I fear the active partners, who are good, fine people, and were perhaps over influenced by their silent young bon vivant of a master, are left holding the bag. And maybe, they have time for some soul-searching. However long a ride lasts as a bar owner, it ends with a question : ‘was it worth it?’ We would hope, invariably, the answer would be yes. To be atop a hierarchy of libertines can provide a lifetime of blissful memories. So that even if one’s pockets are empty, the mind is full of truly amazing escapades. But as things stand, these guys are in the hole for a lot of money, and one wonders: how can it go on, and if it goes on, how shall it go? To those being asked for a donation, what can they expect at a new, new St Ds on A? The age-old question arises : What does it profit a man to sell-out the soul of a 30 year old neighborhood institution, for a few months of exclusive parties, only to lose the body of that bar? <br /><br />I believe that if this gang shows some contrition, vows to the community that it has in place a way for the violations not to re-occur, and perhaps broadens the group of people it deems welcome (side note: where is it written that the dark shadow of a certain Columbian, welcomed into this country and city but openly known as the single biggest discriminating asshole in the LES must have authority over any business with the name of Saint Dymphna? ) then the funding will come in, and the party will go on. Hopefully we are all soon raising our “Imperial-sized” glasses and toasting “To St Ds. Many many more!! “ Pat Volpenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-61645784925710440122020-08-23T21:12:13.354-04:002020-08-23T21:12:13.354-04:00Um have you seen the insanity of santacon?
Why wou...Um have you seen the insanity of santacon?<br />Why would you want to support bars like that?An EVerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11314466406015748710noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-14170331490527743492020-08-19T16:10:13.493-04:002020-08-19T16:10:13.493-04:00“Has anyone drawn up a list of tradition santacon ...“Has anyone drawn up a list of tradition santacon supporting places so we can be rid of them once an for all?”<br /><br />Right. Certainly not about bars the commenter does not like. <br /><br />Sanctimony is sanctimony. Specific personal ideology not required. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-5892139595363360182020-08-19T09:35:39.088-04:002020-08-19T09:35:39.088-04:00Restaurants and bars need to sue Cuomo for a new r...Restaurants and bars need to sue Cuomo for a new reopening plan, since there currently isn’t one, Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-21637841301796675362020-08-18T23:48:03.696-04:002020-08-18T23:48:03.696-04:00It’s not *bars we don’t like*, it’s the bad neighb...It’s not *bars we don’t like*, it’s the bad neighbors, as 4:58 and others have pointed out. These are largely the same places that never had crowd control before and still have not learned how to do so.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-65057323678263574162020-08-18T19:59:15.888-04:002020-08-18T19:59:15.888-04:00Wow, what a terrible sentiment. Let’s make complai...Wow, what a terrible sentiment. Let’s make complaints against bars *we don’t like* just to take advantage of the current precarious climate, in which so many businesses are struggling to survive?<br /><br />I hope you aren’t one of my neighbors. <br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-25015577888015993882020-08-18T18:32:58.335-04:002020-08-18T18:32:58.335-04:00These bars were bad neighbors before the pandemic ...These bars were bad neighbors before the pandemic and they are just as bad now. I am so tired of dealing with drunken bros. The owners don’t care about putting people in danger. If it wasn’t legal for people to drink on the street before, why do it now? We have to walk not by one or two drunk guys. We have to navigate sidewalks packed with dozens of drunk people. It’s so dangerous because of the pandemic and for safety in general. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-7006303181452359972020-08-18T16:58:37.412-04:002020-08-18T16:58:37.412-04:00To a certain degree the places that are having tro...To a certain degree the places that are having trouble with the SLA are the very same places that were poor neighbors in the before times. A prime example of this will be what appears to be the re-opening of the place on Avenue C between 10th and 11th. If the crowds they will draw behave similarly to their traditional customers they will not be open for more than a few weekends before we, their neighbors, report them once again now that the stakes for them are even higher. Has anyone drawn up a list of tradition santacon supporting places so we can be rid of them once an for all? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-63363175431438393122020-08-18T14:08:11.446-04:002020-08-18T14:08:11.446-04:00I am a patron of St Dymphnas. Guys, let's be h...I am a patron of St Dymphnas. Guys, let's be honest, you were not in compliance on multiple issues. Pull your tails out from between your legs, clean up your act & get back to business. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-60404359413464625642020-08-18T02:06:03.610-04:002020-08-18T02:06:03.610-04:00Walk by this place a lot and have to say the suspe...Walk by this place a lot and have to say the suspension was merited.<br /><br />C'mon, people, everyone wants you EV small businesses to survive, so how about a little basic responsibility? Sarahnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-89712470722067822772020-08-17T22:54:02.183-04:002020-08-17T22:54:02.183-04:00This business needs to hire someone who solely enf...This business needs to hire someone who solely enforces public mandates and ensures measures. I am tired of the shit show that is Alphabet City. I am unable to walk past this place to my apt on most days/nights because a majority of patrons aren't wearing masks and social distancing. It boils my blood to witness inconsiderate assholes with no regard or respect for the very neighbors like me and others who pay an enormous amount of money to live here, who just want to make it through the pandemic and not become ill or die. I am done with those who don't care about the safety and public health of others. Grow up, people! This isn't 2019 or the French Quarter! Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-7044016917770557892020-08-17T21:25:59.227-04:002020-08-17T21:25:59.227-04:00Who needs the SLA shutting things down when we hav...Who needs the SLA shutting things down when we have a major downpour almost daily to make outdoor seating impossible? These sudden showers and thunderstorms — plus that hurricane two weeks ago — has meant even less business for restaurants, especially when it rains on the weekends. We just had another huge downpour tonight that cleared out the few customers that came out to eat on a Monday night. And winter is coming.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-44456627284973991502020-08-17T21:19:06.413-04:002020-08-17T21:19:06.413-04:00If they put half the effort into smarter, more eff...If they put half the effort into smarter, more efficient, and more fact based guidelines, all this bureaucratic SLA nonsense wouldn't even be happening.<br /><br />Clown mayor, clown governor, leads to clown policy. <br /><br />Poor candidate options yield poor elected leaders and we end up...here.<br /><br />Ugh. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-44819475845874660962020-08-17T17:39:47.532-04:002020-08-17T17:39:47.532-04:00The whole point is that you shouldn't be order...The whole point is that you shouldn't be ordering round after round of drinks. You should not remain at the establishment after you've finished eating. So if you get a second drink, it should be while you still have some of your meal in front of you. If you're done eating and you order another drink, you're now not complying and should either yes, order more food, or more appropriately, call it a night. Which was obviously the point of making this rule that people must eat substantial food with their drink. It was supposed to deter people from lingering and causing these large crowds.EPnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-24831341824022341662020-08-17T16:54:54.416-04:002020-08-17T16:54:54.416-04:00Unfortunately Yuca has a full 'substantial'...Unfortunately Yuca has a full 'substantial' menu to offer so doesnt look like they be in the first round of targets even though I agree theyve been pushing it for monthsLPIFLYhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08577195599032306763noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-28794506864600274852020-08-17T16:13:18.996-04:002020-08-17T16:13:18.996-04:00Well, this used to be a low-key neighborhood hango...Well, this used to be a low-key neighborhood hangout, but as the word got around and the neighborhood changed, St. Dymphna's has tilted towards a clannish and cliquish bar, like a private club where you are welcomed based on your looks/appearance or know a secret handshake or password.<br /><br />I guess that exclusionary has bommeranged on them since the SLA has exclusively "unfairly targeted" them "and issued baseless citation", much like when a customer is being unfairly targeted and issued a baseless judgments by St. Dymphna's staff when they feel like you do not belong in this private, posh, privileged club.<br /><br />St. Dymphna -- patron saint of the mentally ill and emotionally disturbed, go figure.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-87335904777119479742020-08-17T12:14:25.047-04:002020-08-17T12:14:25.047-04:00I'm sorry but this suspension was absolutely w...I'm sorry but this suspension was absolutely was not "baseless" and I highly doubt they were "targeted" for any reason beyond non-compliance. Last Saturday I walked home on Avenue A from 14th street to 6th street around 8 p.m. and absolutely regretted it. There were hoardes of people outside everywhere, very few wearing face coverings, many drinking without food, tables nowhere near appropriately spaced and the corner with St. Dyphna's and Yuca Bar were by far the worst on the avenue. It was already hard to be a pedestrian in this city and now it's near impossible. I have lived in this neighborhood my entire life and I want nothing more than for our small businesses to succeed and be able to weather this pandemic. But IT IS still a pandemic and these establishments are doing nothing to abide by the rules put in place to protect all of us from what just weeks ago was a catastrophic death toll in our state. How easily people forget. Drinking outside with huge groups is not necessary. I haven't been to a bar, hair salon, pool, beach, or anything all summer. I have seen next to none of my friends. Vacations and concerts all canceled. I'm bored, too. But I don't see how getting a beer is more important than the potential lives lost. Order from your favorite restaurants! Stop by for takeout! It's not hard to support businesses safely, if that is everyone's main concern. But it seems getting drunk is higher on the priority list.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-42477357661959342462020-08-17T12:10:22.329-04:002020-08-17T12:10:22.329-04:00They should only focus on enforcing the distancing...They should only focus on enforcing the distancing. The food rules are ridiculous! Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-54679179251815337472020-08-17T11:45:56.187-04:002020-08-17T11:45:56.187-04:00"we were unfairly targeted" ... HUH? Bec..."we were unfairly targeted" ... HUH? Because you had no idea any enforcement was going on?!<br /><br />Now pull my other leg.<br /><br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-51561471445460704572020-08-17T11:32:07.138-04:002020-08-17T11:32:07.138-04:00So close down a lane of traffic on Avenue A and pu...So close down a lane of traffic on Avenue A and put out as many tables as are necessary. This constant back and forth with the SLA is a ridiculous waste of time and money. The inspectors should instead be talking to customers an educating them on distancing rules. <br /><br />People are also clustering in large groups in all of the city parks. I saw over 100 guys all dressed in Speedo’s halving a drinking party in the Sheep’s Meadow in Central Park last weekend, and no masks. It looks like the Fire Island parties have moved back into the city where no one is breaking them up. The issue is with people in. general who are still not behaving responsibly. Now that college students are returning to school, the drinking parties have already begun in Alabama and Georgia. Next stop, the East Village.Giovannihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11061991537085810824noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-29648580888119557472020-08-17T10:05:58.314-04:002020-08-17T10:05:58.314-04:00@8:50 AM
you have to order food only for the first...@8:50 AM<br />you have to order food only for the first round.<br />that's why the police's complaint that patrons were drinking "without accompanying appropriate food orders" is fishy, since when I get my second round I'm not eating anymore. I guess you need to keep some food crumbs on you plate as proof haha.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-49754853872819790492020-08-17T09:48:01.214-04:002020-08-17T09:48:01.214-04:00You only have to order once.You only have to order once.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-76687293755362036912020-08-17T08:52:04.200-04:002020-08-17T08:52:04.200-04:00Yes,a Yuca suspension is high on my wish list.Yes,a Yuca suspension is high on my wish list.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-8378892344882243312020-08-17T08:50:35.552-04:002020-08-17T08:50:35.552-04:00Honest question -- do you have to order food with ...Honest question -- do you have to order food with every round of drinks? Can I have a drink, then order a second one later with food?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-28244748953690040212020-08-17T08:44:52.880-04:002020-08-17T08:44:52.880-04:00I wish people waiting for tables at Yuca bar on 7t...I wish people waiting for tables at Yuca bar on 7th and A would not congregate on the curb. I saw some of them not move for a man using a wheelchair.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com