tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post6968638798823057428..comments2024-03-28T11:24:20.350-04:00Comments on EV Grieve: Chalking up more 'No 7-Eleven' sentiment on Avenue AUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger39125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-83303629304917914932013-01-26T07:26:22.928-05:002013-01-26T07:26:22.928-05:00The arguments against commercial zoning restrictio...The arguments against commercial zoning restrictions<br />are not about free market fictions. The worry is over rent <br />distortions. <br /><br />Restrictions on corporate outlets drive <br />commercial rents down just as restrictions on liquor <br />licenses do. In a low-income rental district, landlords <br />depend on high-rent commerce. Lose that and you <br />can see landlords abandoning buildings.<br /><br />But most EV landlords are rolling in dough, though<br />they don't tell you that, and the landlord of this location, <br />Shaoul, is a real estate magnate. <br />There is no threat of depressing this neighborhood. <br />On the contrary, it's attracting revenue through NYU. <br /><br />So the economic consequences of a restriction here<br />would be beneficial to the community, allowing services <br />that are useful and desirable but that have lower profit <br />margins than chains and bars. You might even get a <br />bookstore or a performance space. The burden would <br />be borne by the landlord, but in this neighborhood, <br />he won't be hurt enough to abandon or even curtail services. <br />Lower rents will have no effect on prices as long as <br />we have plenty of local convenience store competition, <br />and why would they close unless 7-Eleven breaks them?robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07464179798705084025noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-42121013880901442572013-01-25T18:38:35.822-05:002013-01-25T18:38:35.822-05:00Choice is a fiction too, Mike -- gotta eat,
gotta...Choice is a fiction too, Mike -- gotta eat, <br />gotta bank unless you like a lumpy mattress, <br />and look at the options: a Chase on every corner <br />or one lone Credit Union way over on B. Corporates <br />own your choices. <br />@3:34, 5:50 and 5:54 -- 'NO 7-Eleven'<br />is on FB and Twitter. Hope I get to meet you all at<br />our next gathering. Mike included. (-:<br />"Freemarket TM" -- nailed it.<br />Drop me a line. lesrrd@gmail.comrobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07464179798705084025noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-40707507721734512442013-01-25T17:54:20.310-05:002013-01-25T17:54:20.310-05:00I'm just curious when citizens' right to a...I'm just curious when citizens' right to assemble, organize and boycott stopped being part of the "free market systemTM"? Apparently people may only be participants in the "free market systemTM" by not patronizing providers.<br /><br />Additionally, democratically implemented legislation regulating the conduct of corporate entities is a violation of the "free market systemTM", but government implemented legislation regulating the conduct of natural persons is not.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-38923158039174433062013-01-25T17:50:09.242-05:002013-01-25T17:50:09.242-05:002:36PM
"it's the epitome of the American...2:36PM<br /><br />"it's the epitome of the American Success Story"<br /><br />It IS or it WAS? <br /><br />I'm sure the Thompsons made a lot of dough, but 7-11 is not an American company.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-11451671299591841202013-01-25T16:47:05.211-05:002013-01-25T16:47:05.211-05:00You raise good points Rob, but at the end of the d...You raise good points Rob, but at the end of the day, the results of free market competition always come down to choice. Corporate "invasions" can only decrease a local bodega's market share if the consumers are willing to give business to the newcomers. <br /><br />If people choose 7-11 over a bodega, like they might, or the Bean over Starbucks, like the are, so be it.Mikenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-61030149101931479472013-01-25T15:34:00.171-05:002013-01-25T15:34:00.171-05:00Does 7-11 have to pay the credit card company a su...Does 7-11 have to pay the credit card company a surcharge if they accept a credit card for payment? They do? But they don't pass it on to the customer? Weird. Is anyone trying to make sure that I stay in business? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-81869376057564844242013-01-25T15:27:06.330-05:002013-01-25T15:27:06.330-05:00Yeah, 2:36, an American success like Citibank,
Go...Yeah, 2:36, an American success like Citibank, <br />Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley and Moody's. <br />Try Russo's beef jerky on 11th St. Way better. <br />Or the jerky in Chinatown, Elizabeth St. <br />This is New York, for f**k's sake,<br />not some wasteland surfer town.robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07464179798705084025noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-88701153657673111912013-01-25T15:25:44.388-05:002013-01-25T15:25:44.388-05:00The East Village does not need 7-Eleven. They are ...The East Village does not need 7-Eleven. They are opening up next to existing stores. Other than Super Cuts or Dress Barn, I can't think of a lamer chain to come to the neighborhood.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-11551903499343080272013-01-25T15:23:06.209-05:002013-01-25T15:23:06.209-05:00@ Ben Shaoul 2:36
Thanks for checking in. Park sh...@ Ben Shaoul 2:36<br /><br />Thanks for checking in. Park should be free of rats by summer then you can sell more poorly renovated apartments to newbies for $2,000 a head.ACnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-56974499567483715952013-01-25T15:18:42.834-05:002013-01-25T15:18:42.834-05:00Who are these people supporting 7-Eleven??? Really...Who are these people supporting 7-Eleven??? Really?! lolBig Brothernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-9957279140096894992013-01-25T14:36:13.697-05:002013-01-25T14:36:13.697-05:007-11 was a Mom & Pop operation founded in nine...7-11 was a Mom & Pop operation founded in nineteen fckin twenty-seven; it's the epitome of the American Success Story. Some people want their Slim Jims and if you're not one of them, quit whining and don't shop there. Turn your attention to something truly important like the massive rat infestation in Tompkins Square Park.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-34125108378710583932013-01-25T14:31:37.724-05:002013-01-25T14:31:37.724-05:00What if hot dogs are all that's available?
Mi...What if hot dogs are all that's available? <br />Mike, you are way too generous. Adam Smith<br />(forgive my pulling names)<br />observed right at the start that markets <br />are all conditioned by their context. <br />Suppose your bodega survives because <br />there are only two on your block, but then <br />a corporate entity with unlimited resources <br />opens four surrounding you. You'll lose <br />enough market share to close. Then watch <br />as the corporate entity close the excess <br />stores that it used solely to close you down, <br />leaving only their store and their hot dogs<br />which everyone must buy now, like it or not. <br />We saw this with the bars. There used to <br />be sustainable copy shops on nearly every <br />corner. Bars can pay higher rents and they<br />have no competition: density of bars <br />create a strip attracting more non-local <br />patrons. The result was the replacement <br />of a local "free market" with a non-local <br />"free market." The local service and the <br />local consumer lost, not to a competition <br />for that service but to a different market context.<br /><br />That's going to happen to the convenience <br />market -- non-local commerce will replace <br />local convenience stores because 7-Eleven <br />is within the kids' comfort zone. And the <br />kids really do like 7-Eleven and don't care <br />about local markets or corporate control <br />of the market from afar. That's really the <br />battle -- the kids vs local commerce. In any case, <br />using "free market" as a <br />catch-all for the complexities and distortions <br />of economies is misleading at best,<br />in my opinion, 7-Eleven<br />corporate hypocrisy at worst.robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07464179798705084025noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-11056253309251082682013-01-25T12:33:13.423-05:002013-01-25T12:33:13.423-05:00Of course 7-11 is engaging in a corporate strategy...Of course 7-11 is engaging in a corporate strategy to open as many stores in and make as much money from the East Village as possible. But just because that strategy, and the one to defeat its competition, comes from a corporation doesn't change the fact that it is part of the free market system and can only succeed if enough people voluntarily buy their products. <br /><br />We may not like what pops up as a result of that strategy, but the ultimate success of it comes to what people freely choose to buy or not buy. <br /><br />Yes, I support 7-11's right to its strategy without having its windows smashed, but I cannot understand how anyone would choose say, a hot dog that's been on rollers for hours over something like Belgian fries at the candy store. If chalking helps draw attention to what 7-11 is doing and drives them out, that's cool too. Actually, preferable. Mikenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-80601230181370040112013-01-25T12:13:38.231-05:002013-01-25T12:13:38.231-05:00How is 7-11 any less local than a bodega whose own...How is 7-11 any less local than a bodega whose owners lives in Edison?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-60736556418767967502013-01-24T17:15:54.952-05:002013-01-24T17:15:54.952-05:00Made a quick map of the bodegas I go to, and how 7...Made a quick map of the bodegas I go to, and how 7-11 is NOT NEEDED IN THE EAST VILLAGE.<br /><br />There are not ONE, not TWO, but THREE within ONE BLOCK! <br /><br />http://i.imgur.com/Fboc6wO.png<br /><br />Shawnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15395915435209482109noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-31882669786304062652013-01-24T17:10:16.704-05:002013-01-24T17:10:16.704-05:00I got a '69 Chevy with a 396
Fuelie heads and ...I got a '69 Chevy with a 396<br />Fuelie heads and a Hurst on the floor<br />She's waiting tonight down on Avenue A<br />Outside the Seven-Eleven store...Brucenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-70615206749620858892013-01-24T15:34:36.949-05:002013-01-24T15:34:36.949-05:00@ Bagel Guy
RIGHTFUCKINON!
Give 'em HELL Cap...@ Bagel Guy<br /><br />RIGHTFUCKINON!<br /><br />Give 'em HELL Cap'n!DrBOPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07179469265158025584noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-75595982556229762732013-01-24T14:43:04.334-05:002013-01-24T14:43:04.334-05:00I like it, it's a mostly civilized way of voic...I like it, it's a mostly civilized way of voicing an opinion. People don't like to be "targeted" by corporations and I can understand the reaction and response to 7-11's mission. And to me, it runs a little deeper than just an opposition to the 7-11, it's the implications. The area around 11th and A is one of the few enclaves left in the city that is mostly free of chain stores and 7-11 is an especially visible and soul-less type of chain store and I think people are afraid of some kind of beachhead being established.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-36262196146163567242013-01-24T14:34:56.674-05:002013-01-24T14:34:56.674-05:00Every 7-Eleven in the city should be chalked night...Every 7-Eleven in the city should be chalked nightly!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-3504205983096296142013-01-24T14:33:15.624-05:002013-01-24T14:33:15.624-05:00Again, there is no need to fear. Depinto and crew ... Again, there is no need to fear. Depinto and crew will smacked down hard by the trifecta of Poppy's , Westville, and Tompkins Square Bagels. He will be thoroughly embarrassed in front of his fellow CEO's for choosing such a dopey location. Joe: This ain't the Midwest. Hell, it ain't even the West Village or Murry Hill. The kids in this schoolyard play rough. So bring your A game and be prepared to get knocked around. You're going up against hardened New Yorker's this time. We will scratch and claw and do whatever it takes to win. Andiamo baby ! Bring it . BagelGuyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00155261136809679167noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-9568370896549837532013-01-24T14:28:48.977-05:002013-01-24T14:28:48.977-05:00The sidewalks and streets are not private property...The sidewalks and streets are not private property so chalking is legal. Police stopped by last night, checked out the group, and left them to their chalking.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-42413704512704619572013-01-24T14:26:13.441-05:002013-01-24T14:26:13.441-05:00A new article in the Observer has an ominous quote...A new article in the Observer has an ominous quote from Ken Barnes, Senior Director of Northeast Regional Development for 7-Eleven. “We can’t open more New York locations fast enough,” Mr. Barnes said. “Every neighborhood is a target.”<br /><br />7-Eleven spokesperson Margaret Chabris said the neighborhood is a "target" because of it's “young adults and young families on a budget."<br /><br />Margaret Chabris is quoted as saying "Currently, this part of the East Village is underserved... 7-Eleven will provide attractive stores and bring new jobs, a franchise business opportunity and services to this part of town."<br /><br />This corporate issued statement is untrue. <strong>There is already an existing bodega one block north of the incoming Avenue A / 11th Street 7-Eleven, as well as an existing bodega one block south. There is no need or demand for a 7-Eleven at this location.</strong>Super Size Menoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-29742989163793843472013-01-24T14:15:44.098-05:002013-01-24T14:15:44.098-05:00to fit in, 7-11 has proomised to make the one in t...to fit in, 7-11 has proomised to make the one in the East Village an exact replica of the first in the 1960's-they will staff it with one unprotected employee and an unlocked register- and it will be the only one to open at 7am and close at 11pm.vzabuserhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11547457692788084346noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-47161418396798450742013-01-24T14:15:29.811-05:002013-01-24T14:15:29.811-05:00@Mike, the East Village has no gates. I bet that t...@Mike, the East Village has no gates. I bet that the young bros & their ilk on their pub crawls (i.e., people who don't really give a shit about the neighborhood) won't see any problem whatsoever with patronizing a 7-11 for shitty-ass processed food at 3 AM or whatever, since they probably grew up around them in suburbia. Even if no East Villager goes in any 7-11, I think the stores will probably survive. Which sucks.yonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-17011109074071981132013-01-24T14:05:37.059-05:002013-01-24T14:05:37.059-05:00@1:11 -- Free enterprise my ass --
it's blatan...@1:11 -- Free enterprise my ass --<br />it's blatant corporate take-over. <br />The goal is local monopoly. Look at the strategy. <br />It's not serving a market, <br />it's closing it out. What do<br />you think the result will be -- <br />more diversity of offerings catering to the market here? <br />It'll be a limiting of the market.<br />No more incredible cashews on 2nd<br />Ave, no more crazy sandwiches on B. <br />It's not stopping here. It's<br />only beginning. They don't stop --<br />isn't that what the recession<br />taught us?robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07464179798705084025noreply@blogger.com