tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post7542322550366789550..comments2024-03-28T15:08:02.548-04:00Comments on EV Grieve: A case against using the term 'crusty'Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger106125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-61192328938909965992016-06-20T00:25:27.942-04:002016-06-20T00:25:27.942-04:00I dont know if this post is still going but.....wh...I dont know if this post is still going but.....white kids in this country come from poor abusive drug infested homes, many of them. But they dont have hip hop or rap to speak for them and talk about growing up in the projects....only this time its a shithole trailer or dead end Midwestern town where there is nothing but meth cook or waitress for a job...all these east village residents are out of touch with the real word of white trash dead end shit....these kids aren't all rich and your ignoring them because they are white and poor. If they were black I guarantee you would be writing an open ed piece to the nation not telling them to go back to connecticut.Coffeehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09136155968013736925noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-13941448070536459922015-03-04T09:18:10.789-05:002015-03-04T09:18:10.789-05:00You are generalizing. Dogs were meant for the wild...You are generalizing. Dogs were meant for the wild they actually love being outdoors. Most homeless kids I know take care of their pet before themselves.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-82563893013545841882013-08-13T14:58:15.409-04:002013-08-13T14:58:15.409-04:00I have to add to all the pussies who are being &qu...I have to add to all the pussies who are being "bullied in their own neighborhood" chances are you will be bullied wherever you go. Chances are you complain wherever you yo go. Chances are you came to New York and wanted it to be like the safe little suburb you grew up in. Nut the fuck up losers. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-27348476086010255402013-08-13T14:36:21.767-04:002013-08-13T14:36:21.767-04:00I like how all the people who post Anonymous have ...I like how all the people who post Anonymous have the dickiest shit to say. You big brave brave souls talking shit to the lady who runs a non-profit to help people while you all masturbate to your trust funds and mommy bought condos. Fucking pathetic. Let's all bash on the runaways that got to old for youth programs. Yes let's put down the people running away from their Meth addict parents. How fun. Let's talk shit about kids that are running from domestic abuse and sickening poverty! Seriously - you don't get where they got because your life was wonderful. I seriously hope the next time your down, someone you hate passionately kicks you straight in teeth. I hope your ex shows up to the bar you hang at with someone far better looking than you. I hope the next line of coke you do costs you your job. And it's always the idiot transplants that have the biggest mouths. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-76615008145604714462013-07-10T21:00:59.582-04:002013-07-10T21:00:59.582-04:00Well said. Thank youWell said. Thank youEchidna's Arf 77https://www.blogger.com/profile/05150772189927940664noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-48768762768526293542013-07-10T20:52:24.058-04:002013-07-10T20:52:24.058-04:00Perfect!! I love it. That's EXACTLY the attitu...Perfect!! I love it. That's EXACTLY the attitude of so many that believe the E.V. is some type of hallowed ground and only the "real,hardcore " types deserve to live here . So good,so funny and so RIGHT. BRAVO man!Echidna's Arf 77https://www.blogger.com/profile/05150772189927940664noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-56124856998138768112013-07-06T00:45:29.601-04:002013-07-06T00:45:29.601-04:00I grew up in the area and hung out with some of th...I grew up in the area and hung out with some of the better crusties. Lots of them are assholes, and some are poser rich kids. Though the vast majority have histories of poverty, sexual abuse, and addiction in the home. From someone who knows them, most of them are really unfortunate cases. Also, the wealthy imposters usually hang out in their own group.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-39867012187628778652013-07-05T19:34:37.429-04:002013-07-05T19:34:37.429-04:00If you look up the word "incoherent" in ...If you look up the word "incoherent" in the dictionary, there's a picture of Anonymous right next to it, and it turns out he's a crusty too. I'd really like to know if all these crusty-lovers spend half as much of their time and energy helping out the rest of the much larger homeless population in NY, or if they just like having characters who look like extras from a Zombie movie and who constantly and loudly accost people and each other living in their neigborhood? Just curious. Billsvillenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-88580082396350906442013-07-05T15:39:47.677-04:002013-07-05T15:39:47.677-04:00Following your logic (?) what New York needs is 8-...Following your logic (?) what New York needs is 8-12 million unemployed junkies lying on the streets to celebrate democracy. Really, "jealous abusers" is too stupid to respond to.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-6101931290515657742013-07-04T19:57:08.434-04:002013-07-04T19:57:08.434-04:00Right but you'll pay 30 bucks to drag all your...Right but you'll pay 30 bucks to drag all your old relatives down to the Tenament Museum to pat yourselves on the back at how heroic and tough your tribe all was on its CRUSTY Heroic origins of true grit and determination.<br /><br />Hearing these jealous abusers go at these kids just reflects back onto them. This is a Democracy last I checked. You don't like someones lifestyle? You want to tell all 8-12 million people in New York you set the standard.Good luck.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-17552226097837242302013-07-03T18:04:43.713-04:002013-07-03T18:04:43.713-04:00Throughout all of this, Andrea makes a good point....Throughout all of this, Andrea makes a good point. The group so well illustrated in the comments are not so much crusties as they are addicts, protected by pit bulls. What I find really interesting is that they would NEVER be tolerated in the "good" neighborhoods. End of discussion, and no blog on that.<br />But we need a name for the "kids" - or do we?<br />I suggest we don't make them characters in a drama. Let's not call the group anything other than unemployed junkies.<br />That makes it all real. Any junkie will tell you that they are special and unique.<br />Everyone happy?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-90694184382350380062013-07-03T16:16:24.649-04:002013-07-03T16:16:24.649-04:00Why I do not like my local crusties....
A crus...Why I do not like my local crusties....<br /><br /><br /> A crustie couple recently started living in a van on 11th street between 1st and second avenue....<br /><br />1) They spend all day begging for money from union square tourists..<br />2) Dump littler on the side walk next to their van.<br />3) Mistreat their pet pit bull <br />4) Two overdoses this week... <br />5) From Virginia with cell phones...<br /><br /> I called 911 with the first overdose... any suggestions for getting them back to VIrginia?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-53895922797983088662013-07-03T15:52:41.393-04:002013-07-03T15:52:41.393-04:00Interesting. I just read through all the comments....Interesting. I just read through all the comments. It took awhile. Personally, I haven't had any issues with these kids. But I also understand what people are saying who have had negative experiences and can believe that they happened. A particularly bad incident or experience can really turn someone off - and even more so when apparently there is a pattern that allows these already negative views to be reinforced. I do think what Andrea is doing is admirable. I agree that asking to stop calling this group by a certain term (i.e., crusties) would invariably influence thinking but probably seems more like proselytizing in the end. I also really came away feeling more confused than certain about what the reality is. The truth is probably somewhere in between -- and no doubt has considerable complexity. It is amazing though how many comments emerged from this discussion -- which probably strongly leans towards the conclusion that this issue needs to be dealt with in some larger holistic way than merely as opinions expressed in a message board which in itself is a great starting point and starting point for looking for the answer. Andrea, I think that's where you can benefit from this feedback you are getting on here. It's not all homogeneous. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-62103969919188047402013-07-03T09:48:39.545-04:002013-07-03T09:48:39.545-04:00Correction: Travelers are people who actually trav...Correction: Travelers are people who actually travel, like tourists and adventurers and people with passports. Crusties are people who sit at Starbucks outdoor tables all day smoking and drinking mysterious yellow liquids out of giant plastic bottles, drugging in the bathroom while you wait forever to go, and staring at your purses and iPhones. Please make a note of this to avoid any confusion, thank you. Giovannihttp://urbanmyths.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-31025356673824772972013-07-02T16:47:49.244-04:002013-07-02T16:47:49.244-04:00Pretty hilarious that the same people who are comm...Pretty hilarious that the same people who are commenting about how they do not like the homeless kids who get rowdy, rude, in your face and who don't take proper care of their pitbulls, are also going after the selfless actions that Andrea is doing to get these kids off the streets, out of your face and no longer a burden to your life. The travler community has plenty of bad seeds, and many travler kids themselves know this. This is why you don't generalize all of them. Not all of them are kids doing this because it looks cool. Rich or poor, plenty of these young adults have been on the streets since their early teens due to physical or emotional problems. They come to New York/east coast in the warmer months and travel elsewhere when it's cold. This isn't some tribal community specifically targeting to be a burden to New York City(You think New Yorks travler problem sucks, I'd really hate to see all of you in Portland, San Francisco, the midwest where) No ones holding a gun to your head, forcing you to sympathize with them or help them. And those who ARE violent, abusive and disrupting SHOULD be held accountable. But to generalize every homeless kid and then go after the services that no ones forcing you to donate to to help lessing the problem you hate so much to begin with is absurd. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-43369046534006657532013-07-01T23:12:35.152-04:002013-07-01T23:12:35.152-04:00The problem in these comments is all the generaliz...The problem in these comments is all the generalizations. Each person living on the street, even if for a short time, is a unique person in a difficult circumstance. Wanting to generalize is a nature human tendency, but is the root of many of our prejudices. I chose to deal with people one at a time, and based on our interactions. Doesn't mean I don't also have prejudices, but I try to recognize them and not to allow them to cloud what I think about the person in my presence. I find it a better way to go through life with an open mind. Enough with the labels...including crustys, hipsters, B and Ts, etc.. except if you're making a joke of course.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-14544120370615778862013-07-01T20:46:38.600-04:002013-07-01T20:46:38.600-04:00Another anecdote from The Crusty Annals: when a ba...Another anecdote from The Crusty Annals: when a band of them joined the camp down at Occupy Wall Street, the entire dynamic of the camp changed, and for the worse. They became a separate subgroup who used the space for their own needs, food, cigarettes, camp space, and contributed little or nothing to the movement besides creating loud violent confrontations with other OWS participants. It was the Crusty population which the media used to mis-portray OWS as a bunch of homeless moochers, and to a large extent it worked, as the media coverage turned from mostly positive to very negative within days of the crustys taking over ever larger parts of Zucotti park by the day. Eventually the main Ocuupy organizers had to cut them off of food unless they agreed to help clean up, and some became part of the Saniation crew, but the problems only grew with their numbers and it wasn't long before many were pictured in the news as the face of OWS. Granted, Occupy had its own share of major internal issues to work out, but the crusties just made it that much worse and helped the city to turn the public against a promising movement. The crusties proved weren't at all imterested in being with the 99%, they were a miniscule decimal percentage unto themselves whose only accomplishment was to help screw up the very movement that could have helped them the most.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-84027910172373346852013-07-01T18:00:01.664-04:002013-07-01T18:00:01.664-04:00I'm not even going to try to respond to all of...I'm not even going to try to respond to all of the ignorance I've just read in these comments, but here are a few things to note:<br /><br />1. Andrea isn't asking anything more of us than to NOT use the term "crusties." She's not asking you to donate to her organization, or give money to the homeless, or even like them. She's asking you to not use an unwanted, derogatory term to refer to a group of people in our community.<br />2. Your sob stories about being harassed by homeless kids, fake homeless kids, or otherwise are irrelevant to Andrea's point. If you think being harassed or robbed by an individual who belongs to a group entitles you call that group by slur, you are wrong. Is it ok to refer to all black people as f-ing n-words because you were robbed by a black person? No. (I hope to god we can all agree on THIS!)<br />3. I've worked with the homeless youth population before, and sure, there are some who are "choosing" to live on the streets instead of at home. But they make up a tiny percentage of an otherwise abused, neglected, and overlooked population. Again, judging a whole group by the actions of a few is wrong. Some women lie about being raped. Should we disregard all claims of rape because they are the work of lying, conniving bitches? Absolutely not.<br />4. Some reasons for kids to be living on street include: parents with addictions, parents with mental illness, physical abuse at home, mental abuse at home, sexual abuse at home, parents not accepting of them being LGBTQ,family is homeless, limited resources and cultural capital, etc.<br />5. Sure, many people in the world survive these and come out fine. Not all do. We all deal with things differently.<br />6. If you feel wronged by an individual homeless person in the East Village, be mad at that individual. Don't take your anger out on an entire population of people whose stories you assume to know.<br />7. Most of you have very strong opinions, and yet you write as "Anonymous." Interesting.Harrisonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-62951807326622840212013-07-01T01:01:36.710-04:002013-07-01T01:01:36.710-04:00I believe I was once pickpocketed by a "trave...I believe I was once pickpocketed by a "traveling kid" (pocketwatch with great sentimental value) but I don't generalize that all of them are pickpockets or all of them are abusive. I don't doubt that others have been abused by them, but many of these comments sound prejudicial. I'm impressed with the intensity of the hatred. I never saw them abuse a dog, so maybe I'm not paying attention. I'm more worried by the Shaouls and Singers and Bloombergs of the world than by a bunch of uncouth kids. If Andrea can do some good with them, that's better than just reviling them. robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07464179798705084025noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-47945465326040269072013-06-30T23:44:50.804-04:002013-06-30T23:44:50.804-04:00Maybe some of us are so critical because we are cl...Maybe some of us are so critical because we are close to this demographic and do not see the excuse for aggressive and violent behahavior. In the punk community, we used to call this contingent "Gutter Punks". And some of my best friends were from that scene and lived in the squats. Somehow, that term turned in to "Crusties" and plenty of people that I know enjoyed using the term to describe themselves. And the group was still perfectly fine. However, over the last 5 years or so (of the 20 that I have lived in this neighborhood), they have gotten really mean and violent and that is what the community is speaking to. I don't believe that most of us are judgemental about lifestyle choices, addiction issues, fleeing home, difficult histories and circumstances, etc. But we are and have always been judgemental of people who act like jerks and take their personal agendas out on other people--whether it be gangs, yuppies, amoral developers, etc. We are a community. We have that right. And it's really insulting to be countered in that regard with retorts like "You just don't understand." A lot of us understand firsthand and that is why we're so upset. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-71911518517310668142013-06-30T16:46:48.181-04:002013-06-30T16:46:48.181-04:00My father beat me up, threme out and i went to col...My father beat me up, threme out and i went to college on scholarship, i didnt harrass nice people in the park due to my own addictions. Instead of focusing on hoe downtrodden these "kids" are, try focusing on how uplifting people in the community besides them are.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-27255391186959472072013-06-30T09:39:12.666-04:002013-06-30T09:39:12.666-04:00I am a teacher and work with Andrea, her dedicated...I am a teacher and work with Andrea, her dedicated staff and her clients. I assist with whatever the staff and clients need and strongly support their efforts to help transition their clients get off the streets and better their lives. I also offer the GED tutoring and college preparation. I can’t say it’s easy, but neither is anything in life that’s complex. I understand your sympathy for the dogs. For me it started that way. Before I met Andrea, I would check in with a couple that owned a dog. In the process of checking in to see if the dog was okay, I got to know the couple and then before I knew it, everyone was being checked on. I thought I knew the answers on how to get them off the street. As a teacher I know the system is not always effective, but I didn’t realize how difficult it really is and I initially didn’t understand the obstacles they faced. That is why I later joined forces with Andrea. <br />I am not happy to hear that some people have had negative interactions with some people that may or may not be our clients. I never had a negative experience with any but I’ve walked beside them and received negative reactions from people in the community that were not provoked. I can also say that after many conversations with our clients that most of them do come from abusive or unstable homes as stated before. Living on the streets at 8 years old should make you realize without me having to get into details that home was not a safe place to be. I also know that their dogs have also escaped abusive situations too. Some were abandoned, tied to a pole, some were bait dogs for dog fights and yes most are pitbulls. If you are an animal rights activist, you would know that most dogs at the local ACC that are getting put down are pitbulls. I am a mom to a rescue dog that was abused. With that said I would not support people who abuse animals. Furthermore, Andrea refers our clients to other organizations that work with dogs that offer training classes and vet care. <br />The goal is for people to better understand, not make excuses. It is okay to disagree, but hope you are open to learn more. Also, assumptions and generalizations don’t solve problems, just brew them.Teachernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-24959446842283063252013-06-30T02:20:11.634-04:002013-06-30T02:20:11.634-04:00What a sh*tty, ignorant, dogpile. All of you comme...What a sh*tty, ignorant, dogpile. All of you commenting about these kids like you know anything about them need to STFU. I used to hang out with "traveling kids", and there's a whole lot of backgrounds you'd rather not know. Want to put down the 16 year old punk runwaway whose father raped her? Go ahead. How about the gay punk runwaway whose dad kicked his ass and then threw him out? Yeah, lump him in with everyone else you know nothing about. Seriously, you all might as well join the klan and start burning some crosses, because this is the most ignorant bull I've heard since hearing klan members.Bobbynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-61159094552376099202013-06-30T01:14:59.397-04:002013-06-30T01:14:59.397-04:00To Anom who last wrote at 1:56, I know Andrea work...To Anom who last wrote at 1:56, I know Andrea works with young ladies that like your wife would not respond like that to any help and unfortunately came from similar homes. I would continue to support the work The Space does just for her or anyone like her. I would not decide not to because she is friends with others that behave badly. They may be the only friends she has here that are homeless and she needs to survive. That goes for all the others as well.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-16595726080342939492013-06-29T20:46:24.760-04:002013-06-29T20:46:24.760-04:00Wiki defines trolling as sowing discord on the Int...Wiki defines trolling as sowing discord on the Internet by trying to start arguments and provoke readers into an emotional response. Congratulations, Andrea. That was some world class trolling. Ken from Ken's Kitchennoreply@blogger.com