tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post9157673617847776762..comments2024-03-28T16:06:42.424-04:00Comments on EV Grieve: Making the case for 2-way bike lanes on Avenue BUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger29125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-68403998709477229522019-04-16T21:07:41.079-04:002019-04-16T21:07:41.079-04:00The average 15 year old does not bike to school. ...The average 15 year old does not bike to school. They are getting high and thinking about how to get laid while they walk to school with their friends. This war on cars is absurd. No one drives in Manhattan unless it is a necessity. Some drivers are a problem as are reckless bikers and skateboarders. The radicalness that this has become is why Trump will be elected for a second term. To use an Elmer Fudd analogy, it's like going after the rabbit with an elephant gun. Yes, there's is often a lot of traffic and it's annoying. Adding bike lanes will only increase this. People do not go for a joy ride in Manhattan for the fun of it. They do it because it's a necessity.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-31936962631319105372019-04-16T15:53:05.075-04:002019-04-16T15:53:05.075-04:00Hi @pr...
I think what they meant by more traffic ...Hi @pr...<br />I think what they meant by more traffic is, cars will be looking for parking so they will be circling and that sucks for pedestrians and residents, other drivers, and the parker.<br /><br />I don't know what you mean subsidized by the public - they aren't being given money.<br />Taxes etc. go to fixing roadways. Including tickets and registration fees and other zones that charge for parking, tolls, etc.<br />The side of the road is just - the side of the road.<br />We are nickeled and dimed enough as it is.<br /><br />I personally wouldn't want to deal with a car in the city but if it makes sense for someone I don't consider parking on the side of a road "subsidizing"! That sounds wildly extreme.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-87094555076742137412019-04-16T13:26:39.259-04:002019-04-16T13:26:39.259-04:00> eliminating all of those spots would make mor...> eliminating all of those spots would make more traffic<br /><br />how would that work?<br /><br />> It's the side of the street - where else would cars park?<br /><br />garages? car ownership shouldn't be subsidized by the publicprnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-13109703882809171132019-04-16T08:35:27.796-04:002019-04-16T08:35:27.796-04:00Too much free parking here IMO. It's very 20th...Too much free parking here IMO. It's very 20th century. Yet our current population has exceeded 20th century levels.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-44571112158589483872019-04-15T21:15:54.454-04:002019-04-15T21:15:54.454-04:00i'm fine with B being a single lane one-way wi...i'm fine with B being a single lane one-way with a parking-protected bicycle lane on one sideDavehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12303700053377547495noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-27929348366843301802019-04-15T20:36:37.224-04:002019-04-15T20:36:37.224-04:00For the record, I'm a life long (before it bec...For the record, I'm a life long (before it became trendy) NYC bicyclist. There is not enough space to put in all these protected bike lanes. Too much wasted space inherent in their placement. Example: look at the 'no standing' zones, wasting space on 13th street between ave A and 4th ave.<br />Arrogant wasteful planning.<br />Charlesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-51791680695551233762019-04-15T20:36:09.554-04:002019-04-15T20:36:09.554-04:00Why don't we repave with cobblestones? I say t...Why don't we repave with cobblestones? I say this in 100% seriousness, hear me out:<br /><br />Cobblestone streets slow down both vehicle and cycle traffic, and result in a safer speed for mixing traffic. Pedestrians prefer sidewalks greatly over cobblestones, and linger in crosswalks less. Cobblestones are much more durable, and the maintenance is more manual, but less disgusting overall than asphalt repaving (more skilled labor == better jobs).<br /><br />Why should we encourage cyclists, especially on electric bikes, to go as fast as vehicle traffic? The safest thing to do is slow down all traffic. Full disclosure, I drive/park in the neighborhood multiple times a week, and am a pedestrian that is offended by entitled cyclist behavior (stopping in crosswalks, running red lights, going the wrong way, not using bike lanes even when they're unobstructed) on a daily basis.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-16420268989432499882019-04-15T16:25:26.437-04:002019-04-15T16:25:26.437-04:00I’m not saying all streets should be for experienc...I’m not saying all streets should be for experienced cyclists. I use bike lanes like everyone else. As an almost daily cyclist, I’m sayng not all streets need to be totally redesigned for cyclists. As a matter of fact, it takes more skill riding up the 1st Avenue bike lane at rush hour and at night than it does riding up and down Avenue B, which is like a nice sleepy backwater street without the hassles and dangers inherent to the bike lanes. It’s nice to have a few normal streets left, and ntot all streets need or benefit from the addition of a bike lane. Giovannihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11061991537085810824noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-75472015868612769122019-04-15T15:44:38.306-04:002019-04-15T15:44:38.306-04:00LOL @ "free car storage" above. WTF are ...LOL @ "free car storage" above. WTF are you talking about? It's the side of the street - where else would cars park? Stop with the asinine one sided shit. Everyone needs cars at some point.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-56214467256901774152019-04-15T15:43:24.933-04:002019-04-15T15:43:24.933-04:00Jesus... people are so needy and obnoxious now. I ...Jesus... people are so needy and obnoxious now. I love biking in the city and do almost daily - but I would not expect a bike lane on a narrow avenue like Avenue B. There are already two way lanes on Ave A and C. Residents who don't own cars also need spots sometimes, eliminating all of those spots would make more traffic. Just stop.<br />If you feel the need to ride and feel unsafe on B use A or C, what's the big deal?<br />Let things roll as they have been and fix bigger issues.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-11737096486479677162019-04-15T14:46:11.884-04:002019-04-15T14:46:11.884-04:00@Giovanni - I know what you mean about the old day...@Giovanni - I know what you mean about the old days of no bike lanes but on margin I like the bike lanes because I can just cruise on the avenues without running traffic gauntlets every couple of blocks. I still know how but it's nice to have the option of a relaxing bike ride.<br /><br />And B is too small unless parking is removed, and politically there's as much a chance of that as Zombie Ed Koch(tm) showing up in Iowa running for President.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-82319477141931414852019-04-15T13:02:45.388-04:002019-04-15T13:02:45.388-04:00@Giovanni - why should biking just be for "ex...@Giovanni - why should biking just be for "experienced cyclists" with nerves of steel? Where do parents ride slowly when they are carrying a 50 pound child? Let's create some space for children to get on bikes and learn too. <br /><br />If there's not much car traffic on B it's a great place to reduce parking or a travel lane to make room for people to walk and bike. Let's put some more "village" here, otherwise it's just the East Side.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-25894506334317518862019-04-15T12:23:03.329-04:002019-04-15T12:23:03.329-04:00B is too narrow. Riders only have to go to A or C ...B is too narrow. Riders only have to go to A or C to go up or down. What's the difference... the rider isn't walking. But then again riders do what they want to do... don't they. Bad idea, Very bad idea...cmarrtyyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06948995395819496180noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-46170174181701199122019-04-15T12:13:46.552-04:002019-04-15T12:13:46.552-04:00Not every street and avenue needs a bike lane. Ave...Not every street and avenue needs a bike lane. Avenue B is too narrow, and there’s not much traffic to compete with. I actually prefer riding on Avenue B now more than on avenues with the bike lanes. It reminds me of the old days when we had no bike lanes, and only experienced cyclists rode in the street, pedestrians didn’t blindly wander into the steet while looking down at their cellphone ever 10 feet, and there are fewer speeding electric bikes to deal with too.<br /><br />While we’re at it, how about adding bike lanes on the FDR Drive? Electric bikes already go faster than normal traffic on the avenues, so let’s see if they can keep up with speeding cars careening up and down the FDR (aka the Fools Die Regularly) drive. Of course since Citibike just pulled all of their defective (and slowly charging) electric bikes off the street, the regular frantic Citibike peddlers will really need to step up their game.Giovannihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11061991537085810824noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-85576826439073288822019-04-15T12:10:57.745-04:002019-04-15T12:10:57.745-04:00 It’s so sad that you think owning a car makes you... It’s so sad that you think owning a car makes you entitled and upper class. Enjoy living in squalorAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-82257330633460768572019-04-15T11:38:47.854-04:002019-04-15T11:38:47.854-04:00END FREE CAR STORAGE on NYC streets! There's n...END FREE CAR STORAGE on NYC streets! There's no reason we should sacrifice the safety of all road users in order to subsidize a small, entitled-ass class of car drivers. Covert one lane of parking to bike lanes and another to loading/delivery. Problem solved. Traffic calmed. Everybody better off (except for the poor car owners!). Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-74566019509360723032019-04-15T11:02:54.432-04:002019-04-15T11:02:54.432-04:00Love this! Circulated the petition amongst some fr...Love this! Circulated the petition amongst some friends.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-23358141872773278852019-04-15T10:58:08.754-04:002019-04-15T10:58:08.754-04:00Ave C has bike lanes but they are often truck deli...Ave C has bike lanes but they are often truck delivery lanes and there is a choke point just north of Houston where the avenue narrows. As mentioned above the trade off would be losing parking spaces permanently, though I doubt the political will is there. The irony is two car families complaining about lack of bike lanes.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-87325979469737774012019-04-15T10:38:41.520-04:002019-04-15T10:38:41.520-04:00There’s plenty of room on B if we remove personal ...There’s plenty of room on B if we remove personal car parking. Agree we need more loading zones for businesses both on the Ave and on ends of side streets. There are over 1500 school children who go to school with 1/2 block of Avenue B. The bike lane needs to go there for children to get to school safely. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-6591970406210086602019-04-15T10:27:09.675-04:002019-04-15T10:27:09.675-04:00Just eliminate all trucks - no deliveries EVER, no...Just eliminate all trucks - no deliveries EVER, no trash hauling or sanitation pickups EVER, and you're good to go!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-78031144537608197182019-04-15T10:15:34.585-04:002019-04-15T10:15:34.585-04:00 Plenty of people in our neighborhood own cars. Plenty of people in our neighborhood own cars. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-9716079266228874352019-04-15T10:01:53.207-04:002019-04-15T10:01:53.207-04:00Obviously there's not a lot of room on Avenue ...Obviously there's not a lot of room on Avenue B right now, but if you take away curbside parking then there's suddenly plenty of room for loading zones and bicycle lanes. <br /><br />I bet any measurement of the parking usage on Avenue B and its connecting streets would show that 80% of it is long-term private car storage for vehicles that move once a day or less. I would convert some of the parking on the side streets to metered zones to make up for the losses on the Avenue to loading zones. <br /><br />As for bike lanes, pick your poison: either make Ave B a street with a very slow speed limit and local deliveries only (no large trucks, no thru traffic), or keep the same regulations with loading zones on one side and a 2-way curb-or-bollard-protected cycletrack on the other. Either change would likely be an upgrade for the average neighborhood resident (though an inconvenience for the not-many who own cars and aren't interested in garaging it)Brian Vanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03368272923390455205noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-6883476082338740652019-04-15T09:53:38.666-04:002019-04-15T09:53:38.666-04:00Avenues A and C, both wide, open expanses, have bi...Avenues A and C, both wide, open expanses, have bike lanes. Avenue B, a cramped, narrow corridor, is already tight enough without the addition of two of them - if they were added it would essentially be down to the width of one car. And how is traffic supposed to move then? If parents want to bike their kids to school let them use A or C until they get to the needed side street and then head up or down to B on it. What's so radical about that?Gojiranoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-80237881274206921462019-04-15T09:52:57.043-04:002019-04-15T09:52:57.043-04:00They'd probably have to switch B to one-way to...They'd probably have to switch B to one-way to make room. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5694390946037511355.post-50270314808030669042019-04-15T09:42:18.675-04:002019-04-15T09:42:18.675-04:00Two-way protected lanes work ok in places like Chr...Two-way protected lanes work ok in places like Chrystie Street with limited crossing, but poorly going up short blocks. After 25 years of commuting by bike in the city, I've grown tired of them letting TA largely initiate and structure the multitude of bike lane set-ups and leaving cyclists to homestead the hodge-podge of lane styles which leave riders, pedestrians, and drivers confused.<br />KEHhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09800121758561787910noreply@blogger.com