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An EVG reader points us to an Urban Etiquette Sign on the door at Hop Devil Grill at 129 St. Mark's Place near Avenue A.
It reads in part:
Keep your voices down, keep your drinks inside, and in general treat this sidewalk like your mom's porch.
The people who live above your head have lived here for many years and deserve to enjoy peace and quiet while we all enjoy our party.
When you disrespect the tenants of this building you disrespect our business, our employees, and our neighborhood.
Have some common decency and keep yourself under control while outside the building.
We love you and want you to have a blast. Just do us a favor and do it in a way that doesn't ruin the night of the people who make this neighborhood awesome.
Wonder if there's an EV version of the LES Dwellers coming for these bars?
ReplyDeleteI give them credit for trying. I wish Doublewide on East 12th Street would be stricter with its patrons. They stand out front talking and yelling and whoo-hooing even when the bouncer is on duty.
ReplyDeleteHop Devil used to be a quiet-ish place for grown-ups. Then a succession of idiot managers hired dumb, cute bartenders and re-oriented the place towards the NYU crowd. After being a regular there for many years I haven't been inside for a couple of years or more, and when we walk past it is full of screaming drunk 21-22 year olds.
ReplyDeleteI notice they have been closed twice for underage drinking violations and I expect they are getting grief from their neighbors and landlords now.
Too bad - it's all based on their decision to abandon 30-40 year old craft beer drinkers (who had been loyal customers for many years) and embrace 20-something binge-drinking fools.
No venues are worse re noise and nuisance - excessively loud music and patrons, sidewalk crowding - than Luca and Bua. They are a true blight and I ache for the people who live in their immediate proximity. I hope the propritors read your blog.
ReplyDeleteI give them credit for trying this as well. A sign shows a positive action and a commitment to be a good neighbor.
ReplyDeleteI hope that they continue to follow through.
Actually, this block has been problematic for several years, so the tenants' association on this block has been vigilant at various times. Probably ten years ago or more, the owner of the Raccoon Lodge down in Tribeca wanted to open a joint to be called "Mutha's Roadhouse"—where Empellon Al Pastor is now—and the block association here mobilized, even testifying at the SLA.
ReplyDeleteAlthough the resident who spearheaded that incarnation of the block association, Ron Plotkin—known for saying "When did they turn this street into a strip?"—passed away several years ago, there may be a current resident willing to carry the torch. We can hope.
Too many words. People don't read emails that long let alone a sign on a door. Nobody will bother to read it except maybe bored smokers.
ReplyDeleteI wish these bars would also clean up all the cigarette butts out front. The sidewalk and street in front of Doublewide is littered with butts.
ReplyDeleteIt's a good move to put the sign out, but you also have to assign bar employees to monitor the sidewalk. I wish the cabaret squad from the local precinct could do more about noise on the sidewalk. You should either have to be in the bar or on your way out.
ReplyDeleteWhat was that area of St Marks like before it was mostly bars? Like what types of businesses were there?
ReplyDelete(Don't hate me for being young.)
Am I the only one shocked by the reasonably competent spelling and diction of the note?
ReplyDeleteThe one thing these signs could say that would make a real difference: "Don't drink!"
ReplyDeleteSad that they need to post something like this. So many obnoxious un-assimilated, selfish garbage people these past few years.
ReplyDeleteAnonymous.. To answer your question Coke and Dope dealers and sometimes a lot of punk rockers and skinheads who hung out at a skinhead bar Alcatraz. Also, lots of very poor homeless people who were living in Tompkins Square Park and also Hot Dog and LES Jewels.
ReplyDeleteI say BRAVO to them for putting up that sign, which says it all - and bonus points for correct spelling & punctuation.
ReplyDeleteNow if only their patrons READ this and absorb what it says. Their point is well taken: "Would you behave this way on your own mother's front porch?" Clearly, some "woo-hoo's" would, but hopefully most would not.
Thank you, Hop Devil Grill, for trying!
Thanks john penley!
ReplyDeleteAh, yes, the golden ineffectual respect our neighbors sign.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.capitalnewyork.com/article/politics/2012/02/5173233/golden-era-noble-ineffectual-respect-our-neighbors-sign
Putting that sign is pretending to be "courteous", which is selling lke indulgences; you pay the wealthy church for membership and relieve yourself of the burden of the sin. Problem is the patrons that they attract, which tells you of the type of bar Hop Devil Grill is. Hop Devil indeed.
I miss Stingy Lulu's!
ReplyDeleteNice double digg at Double Wide, and , give it up. The owners of DW have bent over backwards for a few incredibly intolerant , suburban - esque complainers. They even closed early on NYEve, a very profitable night. Whatever your independent , ridiculous beef is, it is time to let it go.If the community board meeting proved anything, it was that 12th street was supportive of the management and a small percentage against. Use that energy to close 7-11 or get rid of places with a far louder clientele.
ReplyDeleteLast I checked CB3 Doesn't have a cabaret squad. If you read the CB3 annual report (available online) they usually discuss the need for a cabaret squad but never get the funds to allocate one. In my opinion they really don't want one. Lest we have any accountability for the vast amounts of liquor licenses given out??
ReplyDeleteOk 10:24, I reply this same opinion often, what are we doing to solve this problem? I am fully willing to devote time to a group if others are willing to do the same. It just feels like there is more lip service than action lately. Why cant we put our money where are mouths are collectively ?
ReplyDeleteTo double d-bag who keeps bashing Double Wide, pull the stick out of your unmentionables and move back to the burbs!!! I've lived in this nabe for 30 years and I have NEVER seen an establishment go to the lengths DW has to appease a few malcontents!! You want quiet?? That's funny, cause you moved to a city that's got over 10 million people in it!!! Some brain trust you come from..........
ReplyDeleteI wrote that. And it wasn't ever "lip service". I genuinely did, and do, give a fuck about this neighborhood. I've lived here a very long time and wanted the bar to be better when I took over. Unfortunately the owners made it impossible. Whatever.
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