HEY EVGRIEVERS - DO NOT MISS THIS VIDEO. Can they give a Pulitzer for a parody video? Hats off to the folks at Tisch. This is awesome. NYU should return some of their tuition money for the publicity this will generate...
Well it just goes to show that not everything connected to NYU is shit. Love the cab hailing scene which will be dated very shortly when that I-Phone app is approved. And finally, those Israelis, love em or hate em, they’re quite a trip.
xootrman-As per a link I found about her "Hila spent two years in the Israeli Military Film Dept." Her other vids are great as well, as per the link provided by Grieve. I think the Daily Show or Colbert should book her ASAP.
First, I'm not suggesting anyone do anything "in blackface." No. Ugh, I didn't say that. Hunh?
Frankly, I honestly can't say what exactly makes me "uncomfortable" (not my word) with this.
It just makes me sad.
Women can be misogynists, just as any other group in our community can be self loathing. That's not a surprise, is it?
We are all inadvertently taught to hate the same groups, even if we are a part of that group.
And I guess that's why this video makes me sad. It is my "group" -- white women - and it is still ok, or PC, to lay on the hate, since we still retain some privilege.
Whatever.
But one other thing - this whole prostrate-on-the-pool-table image, I think, is what REALLY makes me uncomfortable. I guess some readers are still too young or have simply forgotten about "The Accused" and the Big Dan's rape trial in the early 1980s.
noun 1. the use of irony, sarcasm, ridicule, or the like, in exposing, denouncing, or deriding vice, folly, etc.
2. a composition, in which human folly and vice are held up to scorn, derision, or ridicule.
The *point* is to make you uncomfortable. Satire is meant to ridicule stupid behavior in order to encourage change.
The fact that thousands of young women (of all stripes) actively seek to go out and get blackout drunk each weekend, while acting like amateur porn stars and cover our neighborhood in trash, piss and puke in the process should also make you uncomfortable.
Reality shows have glorified this behavior, so young women think it's acceptable, even desireable. The video is meant to demonstrate that this type of behavior is stupid and demeaning and that women (of all stripes) should aspire to more than getting wasted every weekend.
What is truly sad, is that you could take footage from bars of real young women and make essentially the same video, which was the premise for 'The Jersey Shore'.
For further reading in the satire genre, please see '1984', 'Animal Farm', 'A Brave New World', 'Catch 22', 'A Clockwork Orange', 'Dr. Strangelove', 'American Psycho' etc.. I believe most of those were even made into movies for those that can't be bothered to read.
I understand where VH is coming from, i too felt sad and uncomfortable after the 1st 5 seconds of the video. I think it's because she's treating very real and sensitive issues such as rape (see recent steubenville rape case) and unwanted pregnancies as an SNL skit lacking any type of responsibility. It's like "let's kick them while they're down" so she can get ahead; which is a shame... Girls/women have it hard as it is, we need to stick together and help each other and not highlight the worse in each other.
I don't think there is any reason to make less fun of certain women for the silly & foolish things they do just because they are women and can be the object of oppression sometimes. Women are not a minority group and in our time (especially in america) have much more power and freedoms than ever before... personally I think its time we stop treating them helpless victims -- I say this as a woman.
Rape and misogyny are terrible things... and no one is arguing against that fact. But there are countless of terrible things in the world that victimize each and every social group (even white males). But to constantly single out things that are made by women, or about women as somehow "special" or needing more sensitivity and care than other genders/races ect... just continues the segregation.
And as a side note... to me it doesn't feel that this video bashes women.. but bashes a type of behavior, hopefully women and men alike will see the satire and stop acting like this all together.
And VH-whatever: You don't know why you are uncomfortable because your knee-jerk brain-washed "everyone abuses women" reaction kicks in even when it shouldn't.
MAYBE... just MAYBE some of the drunk woo-girls will see this video and not like being made fun of... and it will change their behavior for the better.
Will this video CAUSE problems for women? No. MIGHT it help some impressionable women to change their ways? Maybe. Very doubtful, but maybe.
If you do ridiculous, stupid things (See e.g. Bloomberg), expect to be made fun of. It doesn't matter what color or sex you are. You don't get a get-out-of-satire free card just because you are (black, white, female).
You’ll have to forgive me for assuming that someone who confused the concepts of ‘misogyny’ and ‘racism’ and was also unable to recognize an obvious satirical example might be unfamiliar with the concept of ‘satire’ and/or perhaps operating at a high-school reading level.
Overall, I think the point of the video is to provoke a reaction and force use to confront some unpleasant realities. For some that will be shock/discomfort or laughter or perhaps uncomfortable laughter. Since the real-world variety of this behavior (by men AND women) doesn’t seem to register much of a reaction, perhaps the exaggerated satire will?
I too, am part of the ‘white women’ demographic and was also a bit stunned when I first viewed the video. However, I think the social commentary is sorely needed and whatever shock is needed to engage the conversation is justified.
Why do young women today aspire to be like Snooki and Kim Kardashian? Is it because they think that is what will capture the attention of young men today? Why do young men think it is ok to take advantage of these women? Why do some local business owners insist on running establishments that encourage and exploit this dynamic to make a quick buck?
Young women disrespect themselves because apparently that’s what they think it takes to get attention from young men and young men respond by being disrespectful. It’s a disturbing cycle. The weekly Bro/Woo invasion is the most tangible local example of this. Some people are ok with ‘The Woo’. I am not. The Woo makes me weep for the future – the future of this neighborhood, these young people and society at large.
The video holds up a mirror to this dynamic and highlights some ugly truths. Maybe it will encourage some introspection by young men and women? Maybe some of them will decide to make more responsible choices (especially when visiting the East Village)?
At the very least perhaps it will spur a productive dialogue? Here's hoping...
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oh. mah. gawd! The EV, LES, douchepacking district scenes on Thursday-weekend nights. Like totally yah!
HEY EVGRIEVERS - DO NOT MISS THIS VIDEO. Can they give a Pulitzer for a parody video? Hats off to the folks at Tisch. This is awesome. NYU should return some of their tuition money for the publicity this will generate...
Wow. I know that is meant to be satire, but it seems more like a documentary. Again, Wow.
Ahhh nine more hours before I get to deal with these messy fucks...
Well it just goes to show that not everything connected to NYU is shit. Love the cab hailing scene which will be dated very shortly when that I-Phone app is approved. And finally, those Israelis, love em or hate em, they’re quite a trip.
LESSSSSS GET READY TO RUMBLE!!!!!!!!!!!
Crazy Eddie. I too loved this video but have to ask what the reference to crazy Israelis means?
xootrman-As per a link I found about her "Hila spent two years in the Israeli Military Film Dept." Her other vids are great as well, as per the link provided by Grieve. I think the Daily Show or Colbert should book her ASAP.
That was great!
Classic. How many times I've heard "OMG THIS IS MY SONG." Mostly at bars where there isn't a dancefloor!
Crazy Eddie thanks for the info.
Wow. Misogyny much? Guess I'm the outlier here...
Let's see if Hila has the ovaries to do a "Black Girl Wasted" or "Asian GIrl Wasted" or "Latina GIrl Wasted" -- will y'all still be laughing?
Just. Sayin.
@VH
No. But it's funny as it is now.
A female portraying a drunk female in a satirical video is not misogynist. And really VH, your suggestion is she should do it in blackface??? Ugh.
VH is your problem with her sex or her race?
You know, VH, I totally agree with your post. And that Sarah Silverman, another misogynist, big time. And she’s an anti-Semite as well.
First, I'm not suggesting anyone do anything "in blackface." No. Ugh, I didn't say that. Hunh?
Frankly, I honestly can't say what exactly makes me "uncomfortable" (not my word) with this.
It just makes me sad.
Women can be misogynists, just as any other group in our community can be self loathing. That's not a surprise, is it?
We are all inadvertently taught to hate the same groups, even if we are a part of that group.
And I guess that's why this video makes me sad. It is my "group" -- white women - and it is still ok, or PC, to lay on the hate, since we still retain some privilege.
Whatever.
But one other thing - this whole prostrate-on-the-pool-table image, I think, is what REALLY makes me uncomfortable. I guess some readers are still too young or have simply forgotten about "The Accused" and the Big Dan's rape trial in the early 1980s.
Google it.
Just for grins.
sat·ire [sat-ahyuh r]
noun
1. the use of irony, sarcasm, ridicule, or the like, in exposing, denouncing, or deriding vice, folly, etc.
2. a composition, in which human folly and vice are held up to scorn, derision, or ridicule.
The *point* is to make you uncomfortable. Satire is meant to ridicule stupid behavior in order to encourage change.
The fact that thousands of young women (of all stripes) actively seek to go out and get blackout drunk each weekend, while acting like amateur porn stars and cover our neighborhood in trash, piss and puke in the process should also make you uncomfortable.
Reality shows have glorified this behavior, so young women think it's acceptable, even desireable. The video is meant to demonstrate that this type of behavior is stupid and demeaning and that women (of all stripes) should aspire to more than getting wasted every weekend.
What is truly sad, is that you could take footage from bars of real young women and make essentially the same video, which was the premise for 'The Jersey Shore'.
For further reading in the satire genre, please see '1984', 'Animal Farm', 'A Brave New World', 'Catch 22', 'A Clockwork Orange', 'Dr. Strangelove', 'American Psycho' etc.. I believe most of those were even made into movies for those that can't be bothered to read.
Happy Woo Year
I understand where VH is coming from, i too felt sad and uncomfortable after the 1st 5 seconds of the video. I think it's because she's treating very real and sensitive issues such as rape (see recent steubenville rape case) and unwanted pregnancies as an SNL skit lacking any type of responsibility. It's like "let's kick them while they're down" so she can get ahead; which is a shame... Girls/women have it hard as it is, we need to stick together and help each other and not highlight the worse in each other.
Agreed, Flipper.
And Cas, I really don't need to be schooled on the definition of satire. Posting your high school English syllabus, however, was rather charming!
I don't think the "point" of this video was to make me, or anyone else, feel uncomfortable.
I think it was made for laughs. And you all laughed -- good for HIla.
I don't think there is any reason to make less fun of certain women for the silly & foolish things they do just because they are women and can be the object of oppression sometimes. Women are not a minority group and in our time (especially in america) have much more power and freedoms than ever before... personally I think its time we stop treating them helpless victims -- I say this as a woman.
Rape and misogyny are terrible things... and no one is arguing against that fact. But there are countless of terrible things in the world that victimize each and every social group (even white males). But to constantly single out things that are made by women, or about women as somehow "special" or needing more sensitivity and care than other genders/races ect... just continues the segregation.
And as a side note... to me it doesn't feel that this video bashes women.. but bashes a type of behavior, hopefully women and men alike will see the satire and stop acting like this all together.
CAS is now my Hero-of-the-Week.
And VH-whatever: You don't know why you are uncomfortable because your knee-jerk brain-washed "everyone abuses women" reaction kicks in even when it shouldn't.
MAYBE... just MAYBE some of the drunk woo-girls will see this video and not like being made fun of... and it will change their behavior for the better.
Will this video CAUSE problems for women? No. MIGHT it help some impressionable women to change their ways? Maybe. Very doubtful, but maybe.
If you do ridiculous, stupid things (See e.g. Bloomberg), expect to be made fun of. It doesn't matter what color or sex you are. You don't get a get-out-of-satire free card just because you are (black, white, female).
“One-fish, two-fish.
Bro-fish, Woo-fish.”
You’ll have to forgive me for assuming that someone who confused the concepts of ‘misogyny’ and ‘racism’ and was also unable to recognize an obvious satirical example might be unfamiliar with the concept of ‘satire’ and/or perhaps operating at a high-school reading level.
Overall, I think the point of the video is to provoke a reaction and force use to confront some unpleasant realities. For some that will be shock/discomfort or laughter or perhaps uncomfortable laughter. Since the real-world variety of this behavior (by men AND women) doesn’t seem to register much of a reaction, perhaps the exaggerated satire will?
I too, am part of the ‘white women’ demographic and was also a bit stunned when I first viewed the video. However, I think the social commentary is sorely needed and whatever shock is needed to engage the conversation is justified.
Why do young women today aspire to be like Snooki and Kim Kardashian? Is it because they think that is what will capture the attention of young men today? Why do young men think it is ok to take advantage of these women? Why do some local business owners insist on running establishments that encourage and exploit this dynamic to make a quick buck?
Young women disrespect themselves because apparently that’s what they think it takes to get attention from young men and young men respond by being disrespectful. It’s a disturbing cycle. The weekly Bro/Woo invasion is the most tangible local example of this. Some people are ok with ‘The Woo’. I am not. The Woo makes me weep for the future – the future of this neighborhood, these young people and society at large.
The video holds up a mirror to this dynamic and highlights some ugly truths. Maybe it will encourage some introspection by young men and women? Maybe some of them will decide to make more responsible choices (especially when visiting the East Village)?
At the very least perhaps it will spur a productive dialogue? Here's hoping...
"“One-fish, two-fish. Bro-fish, Woo-fish.”
Hysterical!
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