Work continues over at 168 First Avenue between 10th Street and 11th Street. (Given the scaffolding and construction netting, it appears that the entire building is getting a rehab.)
Joe and Pat's, the pizzeria and restaurant that debuted on Staten Island in 1960, is opening a location here, in the former longtime home of Lanza's.
The pizzeria's owners are on this month's CB3-SLA docket for a new liquor license for the space. The questionnaire on file ahead of that CB3-SLA meeting reveals a few more details about what diners can expect at the the East Village Joe and Pat's.
For starters, aside from pizza, Joe and Pat's will offer an "extensive menu" of Italian food. (Find their menu from the Victory Boulevard location here. Or check out their Instagram account here.)
The proposed hours of operation are 11 a.m. to 2 a.m. Sunday through Thursday; and until 4 a.m. on Friday and Saturday. The configuration shows seating for up to 43 diners, including use of the rear yard, where there are five tables. (It's not clear if this is an enclosed space. And the rear yard space won't be in use all hours.)
Earlier this year, New York magazine wrote that Joe & Pat’s offers the best of Staten Island pizza. "Its pies are the ultimate version of one of the borough’s dominant styles: thin-crust, vodka-sauced bar pie. Open since 1960, it doesn’t look like much, but the pizza is magnificent."
The July CB3-SLA committee meeting is July 17 at 6:30 p.m. at Ian Schrager's Public Hotel, 215 Chrystie St. just below Houston.
44 comments:
Excuse my naivete but why does a pizzeria need to be open til 4 a.m.? Why don't they just be a bar and leave it at that.
Now we're taking... sausage and broccoli rabe heroes! Can't wait.
I didn't know that Staten Island had its own species of pizza until I read about Pat & Joe's here. I haven't been to Staten Island in at least 20 years...
By the way, buildings in the EV are generally required to have 30 foot-long rear yards that are accessible to tenants, a rule honored more in the breach. I don't know about this particular building, but if there's a restaurant in your rear yard, or the landlord has extended the first floor commercial space so there's no yard, it's probably illegal. The Department of Buildings might issue a violation, but in my experience that will not solve the problem. If you have any concerns about this email me at rnh141 at gmail dot com.
The best pizza in the city is on Staten Island. I like the idea of it coming to the East Village, but I also like the trip out to Staten Island. What a dilemma!
A pizza joint doesn't need to be open until 2 a.m. during the week and 4 a.m. on the weekend. Sounds like they want some bar action here so the tenants and neighbors should fight it. These guys shouldn't come in trying to be a bar no one wants. If the pizza is as good as I hear it is, they can do a good business with food. We need a good sit down pizza spot.
I wonder if pizza restaurants in Staten Island are open to 4am on weekends? Late night closing means late night noise, honking Ubers and taxis and people that have had too many martinis. We don't need another bar/restaurant open this late in our neighborhood.
With The Rent They Are Paying For That Space , They NEED to DO ANYTHING to make Money .Like long hours & more seating ,Perhaps you would prefer a Chase Bank or Duane Read there?
A 4AM closing means they are going for the loud crowd of drunks who never want to go home. If they really want to be the Empire Biscuit of pizzerias then their tagline should be: Joe & Pat's: Pizza. Pasta Prosecco. Drunk.
Interesting how commenters think a business in NYC shouldn't be open until 2am or 4am. What happened to fun city- the city that never sleeps? Seems hypocritical to complain about chains and suburbanization and then want NYC to shut down at 1am. Soon bars will close at 1am and the trains will stop running overnight? Is that what's coming? Sad and pathetic.
@9:55am: What happened is that a lot of people grew up! The "Fun City" bit is very 1970's.
A "pizzeria" (with a BACKYARD) that will be open until 4am is just giving the finger to actual residents of the area. Do you think the people living upstairs or next door can sleep with all the noise coming from that yard? Would YOU want to live right there? I sure wouldn't. They should just call it a bar and be done with it. I highly doubt they are disturbing people on Staten Island at 4am, b/c they would definitely get a response there!
This is a good addition for the neighborhood. I've been to enough community board meetings to know how this works. You have to ask for a 4 am closing time on weekend. They won't get it. They'll get 2 am, which is what they wanted. Had they asked for 2 am, they would have been OK'd for midnight. Lanzas was open until 2 on weekends and no one complained.
It's also that the whole concept of what a bar or restaurant means has changed. There have always been bars and restaurants in residential neighborhoods, which the EV was and is, but they didn't have rear yards, they didn't have giant windows or accordion doors on the front and sometimes the back and they didn't blast music. Add to this mix that there are just toosny and that's why people are responding the way we are.
Do their other locations have full liquor and outdoor seating until 4am. If not why here?
EV resident since 1986, but a native of Staten Island and Joe & Pat's was my neighborhood pizza place growing up. Never found anything as good since.
Contrary to those grumblers, it really is a restaurant, not a dollar slice kind of place. So, yeah I imagined they would be open late serving food and liquor.
Their attitude seems to be, it's the EV, anything goes. Well it doesn't Joe & Pat!. Keep your 4:00. Keep your 2:00. And keep your over-priced pizza! We're sick and tired of being used. I hope the residents of the building fight this business tooth and nail. A business should be a decent neighbor not a disaster in the making.
"What happened to fun city- the city that never sleeps?" So you think a marketing tagline from 50 years ago was based on fact? Do you think working families functioned without sleep for the past 50 years? If you want to stretch this compared to towns which roll up the sidewalks at 5PM NYC had much later hours but in places like Time Square not the East Village. I urge neighbors to attend CB3 unless you enjoy sleepless nights.
Residents concerned about this should attend the CB 3 meeting and raise their concerns.
"With The Rent They Are Paying For That Space , They NEED to DO ANYTHING to make Money .Like long hours & more seating ,Perhaps you would prefer a Chase Bank or Duane Read there?"
So other people's right to live in a neighborhood where they can actually sleep through the night without unnecessary noise from drunks and horns should do nothing so one restaurant bar owner can disregard neighborhood quality of life. You view point is very Trump, making money comes first, always.
Can Anyone Ever Raise Their Concerns ANONYMOMSLY?
And expect anyone to Listen?HaHaHa..!!
FUGHEDDABOUTIT!
Yes and yes? Happens here all the time and it is fact and in tune with what the neighbors think, this is just an online forum. Which holds more weight then random avatar wankers. Xoxo
@9:23am: Why, yes, I *would* prefer a bank or a drugstore there! Banks & drugstores do not have drunk people partying in the backyard past midnight. It's about "quality of life" - look it up, it's a great concept!
cmarrtyy is a hoot.
Okay, here's what every bar or bar-restaurant should do:
Clamp down on stupid behavior including loudness from the get go.
Have a zero tolerance for idiots - eject them left and right.
When x amount of them come on Yelp to piss and moan about how you threw them out for screaming like it's their living room when it's not, immediately reply to every single one of them to tell everyone what these idiots did and what kind of place you want to have for the neighborhood.
Word will get out that you behave or leave and the place will be chill.
Sorry again for being redundant, but can't Pat and Joe just open a bar if they desire to be open til 4. Or is it this demented food disposable income gilded age party non-stop pop culture that they are trying to exploit also.
The poster up top and previous ones who called this Trump-like hits the nail on the head, more money determines, standardizes and rules everything over everyone, and anyone who questions this and points out the ramifications of this new brand hedonism are fun killing prudes and old farts.
Pat and Joe is going to "ruin their brand" (I hate this term so much) if they pull this stunt, wait til that lame ass pizza dick spot from Washington on 28st and Broadway starts to get stale.
you people complain about everything. too bad you aren't getting a domino's instead.
If all you posters want peace and quiet why not move out of town? I've been here as long as anyone my age and I've never minded the street life. Acid fueled trashcan concerts to greet the dawn during the summer of love. Punked out folk singers - and "singers" - jamming all night. Salsa and hiphop banging from the jeeps. Sure these days it's entirely bland suburb-to-city professionals but that's the current culture. Boring people can also party as well.
There's always been some curmudgeon yelling "get off my stoop I'm trying to sleep" at 1 am and maybe throwing water or worse out the window. Now there's also the occasional evgrieve comment thread.
I think they should only be allowed to be open Sundays from noon to 3 p.m. to serve churchgoers in the neighborhood.
@ 8:35
Then they should just open a goddamn bar.
@JQ LLC
They probably want to make the food money as well. That space ain't cheap. Most restaurants fail and bars are cheaper to operate, but if they can sell food and booze they've got a fighting chance of being in business in three years.
The city council should pass a bill to not allow backyard use for businesses. That's the primary issue.
"If all you posters want peace and quiet why not move out of town?;
The despicable “move to” line makes its appearance by a so called EV veteran. I knew it was coming. SAD!
This seems like a great replacement for Lanza's and fine addition to the hood. Let's give Joe and Pat the benefit of the doubt that they'll be upstanding business owners, neighbors and EV citizens. They have a long history as such in SI.
Having a license to stay open until 2am and 4am doesn't mean they will, it gives them options in a high rental market. I know several EV bar owners. They stay open during the week until 1am or 2am to cater to EV restaurant and biz workers coming off shift. They close when people stop coming in. Perhaps J&P see a similar market for their food.
Certainly the backyard won't be open into the early morning hours. The Grafton a few blocks down closes their backyard promptly at 11pm. I do know there were issues there early on.
I am flabergasted by comments by so called long time EV residents that think loud bars / restaurants have always been a part of the neighborhood. I moved here in 81' to 6th st near Ave C and as most people headed east to get to work, subway, bars, food, etc... I never came across all those wild parties and drunks in those days and trust me I often got home from the clubs at all hours. I moved to Chelsea for about 10 years and when I came back to the EV in 99' it seemed like I had moved to the countryside. Crickets, quiet evenings even on weekends. The bullshit came with gentrification in the past 10 years, tons of trendy restaurants, sports bars and the kind of customer that thinks the kind of yelling they do at tvs is appropriate on the street at 2am. If we are not careful every commercial space will be essentially a place that serves alcohol of some trendy frozen treat. I have no intention of moving to (xyz) because I came from to the EV to escape (xyz) which is now all around me.
@7:28 AM
"The despicable “move to” line makes its appearance by a so called EV veteran"
I've been saying that since right after Operation Pressure Point (look it up). Rowdy 20 somethings move here for the crazy, grow up, get jobs maybe have kids and then want their block to be Connecticut.
As for "despicable"? Your attitude is why many of the local live jazz / ? venues got closed over the last few decades. One neighbor burning up the 9th's phone lines all night and eventually the club owner decides it's too much trouble. Wondering which venues? If you were paying attention then you'd already know, but if you were here you were probably already complaining about "loud bars".
Unless you have lived above a backyard bar or restaurant space you have no idea how awful it is. So what happens before 11 is that you have a restaurant or bar essentially in your apartment every evening when the weather is nice. You can't open your windows, you can't hear music etc. Remember this isn't the EV of yore when a few folks might have a meal and a quiet drink in the back of a neighborhood place, this is an entertainment district where people will be extremely loud and no doubt obnoxious with no regard for the folks who live upstairs trying to enjoy their apartment.
@11:33 AM
Complaining about "loud bars" started in the late 80s and reached maximum curmudgeon in the early 90s about the Stanton / Ludlow area when it became a constant bar crawl. You realize that why there are so many loud bars is because there are so many patrons for loud bars and whatever they're calling this seasons food fashion? As a visual artist I miss the underground galleries but I get that you can't pay these rents showing local painters. I also watched my favorite dive piano bar complained out of existence because it was a "loud bar".
5:22pm back again.
Again, just tell patrons to not talk so loudly or act destructive, that's all.
You can have fun without acting like the place is your living room or the backyard is yours.
A simple solution to avoid middle of the night noise in the backyard: close it at 1am or 2am last call.
&.28 AM here.
3.32 PM-Are you currently happy living in Murray Hill South? There is something called a balance. Its f**king out of control here now. SIX bars on Ave A between 14th and 13th street. You call that healthy for a residential neighborhood? Re Joe and Pat, I like their price range and will give them a shot but I don’t have to live next to them so we will see how that issue develops. BTW, where you at the recent Community Board 3 meeting at the Senior Center? I was. The REBNY taking point (a rep spoke at the meeting) was there no need for any additional regulations for the EV, just give landlords more tax breaks. And I am sorry; I stand my post that the “move to” line is despicable.
2:32: Are you sure that it was calls to the 9th precinct that ended the jazz clubs? The police don't do squat about noise complaints now when you call 311.
I lived in SI for 18 years, and have been here for over 40. While beside the point, the notion that this neighborhood was ever some quiet sanctuary is complete bullshit. While it is true there were a hundred less bars, the bars that we had played live music until the last person left, and the reason there were less bars is that the locals 30 years ago partied on stoops and street corners blasting disco, rock or salsa music from their boom boxes, drinking quarts from the bodega. And no one had air conditioning, so it was just part of the night time ritual in your apartment.
That aside, this was the pizzeria I grew up 5 blocks from, and have been back to frequently. They always have been one of the few places on SI that catered to the full pie, sit down eating theory. The pizza is excellent. It is ridiculous to complain about a local born business opening in the neighborhood before it opens. And it is obviously insane for the commentator above to say that you prefer a bank or Duane Reade because they are quiet -- 90% of the reason for the proliferation of those types of establishments is that coops or condos, or rental buildings seeking high rents, that can control their commercial tenants only want to rent to businesses that make no noise and present no controversies. That is not what this neighborhood is about.
This Joe & Pat's pizzeria discussion is almost as good as the Pizzagate thread on Reddit. Lets call this one Pizzahate. The proposed 4AM closing is the problem, but at least the pizza should be good. Because Staten Island. Have you seen any of the people on Staten Island? They are huge, mostly because their food is so good they can't stop eating it, but also because there's not much else to do on Staten Island.
Some suggested future topics:
Is Joe & Pat's pizza a sign of the Apocalypse?
Will the East VIllage survive the invasion of Joe & Pat;s pizza?
Top 10 places East Village residents can move to escape from the EV Pizzapocalype.(#1 is Ohio).
Sure there was noise in the neighborhood back in the day, boom boxes, people hanging out on hot nights, but that was not a nightly thing nor was it the product of bar or restaurant. Transients will put up with a slew of loud bars until their lease is up then move on. Long tern residents are long term for a lot of reasons, they can afford their rent, they have neighbor friends, are connected to the neighborhood and will only leave is forced out. The downward spiral of the quality of life due to the invasion of alcohol serving establishments are dong the deed of the near corporate landlords like Croman and Kushner by making it so miserable here Ohio seems like heaven.
EV was a king of late night in the 70's and 80's. There were the bars all around and clubs. More after hour places than anywhere in the city. The gentrification of the 90's got rid of that.
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