Thursday, May 26, 2016

[Updated] 1 dead, 3 injured following shooting at the Irving Plaza

According to various published reports, one man died and three others were wounded in a shooting at Irving Plaza where rapper T.I. was headlining last night.

A 33-year-old man who was shot in the stomach died at Beth Israel, police sources told NBC 4.

Details from the Daily News:

With the headliner T.I. set to appear, the chaos erupted backstage shortly after 10 p.m., with a fight in a green room above the stage of the Union Square venue, NYPD officials and witnesses told the Daily News.

Hip hop artists Maino and Uncle Murda were performing when the sudden sound of gun shots sent hundreds into a frenzy.

An employee told The News that the carnage started as a beef between two rival crews associated with Maino and rapper Troy Ave. The gunman and the victims were all credentialed guests with access to the VIP area, a source said.

There's one report confirming that Crown Heights-based Troy Ave was shot in the leg. There are unconfirmed reports that the man who died was Troy Ave's manager.

Police say they're investigating how the gun(s) got into the venue on Irving Place at East 15th Street with the metal detectors set up.

Updated noon:

DNAinfo has more here... along with this Bratton quote: "The investigation is moving forward very rapidly and we expect to close it quickly," NYPD Commissioner Bill Bratton said Thursday during a radio interview on 710 WOR.

Updated 7 p.m.

Police have arrested Troy Ave in the shooting, via Gothamist. His friend and bodyguard, Ronald "Banga" McPhatter, was also confirmed as the fatality in the shooting.

The NYPD also released this surveillance video... showing a man who police ID'd as Troy Ave firing a gun ...

Updated 5/27

Billboard takes a look at the shooting from an insurance/risk-management perspective. A few excerpts:

"The fact of the matter is that [the] shooting took place in a location where a man had a beef and a gun," says Steve Adelman, VP of the Event Safety Alliance and head of Adelman Law Group. "That's obviously not specific to a genre of music, location of the club or much of anything else. It could have happened anywhere where those two criteria exist, including an elementary school, a movie theater or a military base."


Historically, violence at rap shows often occurs in areas where artists and their entourages enter discreetly, such as backstage, VIP areas, green rooms or at off-site afterparties; this may have been the case at Irving Plaza on Wednesday, since talent and crew frequently use the building's smaller entrance on East 15th Street rather than its front doors. Given these areas are relatively exclusive, security is tight as far as access (one must have the proper laminate or sticker), but lax on metal detectors and pat-downs. From the smallest club to the highest-capacity stadiums and festivals, too often "whatever wants to walk in through the back door walks in through the back door," observes Peter Tempkins, managing director, entertainment, for HUB International, a leading insurance brokerage firm covering the live business.


Anonymous said...

I hope Irving Plaza is sued to the max for their lax security.

Anonymous said...

That's tragic...especially with security measures that clubs have to take these days. So sad.

Anonymous said...

VIP! More like DOA. Sad.

DrGecko said...

Sued to the MAX
for their LAX

They have a way out
coz the pay out's
from their insurance compaNY

Anonymous said...

I hope that more rap artists address the fact that there's a higher probability that these types of incidents occur at rap/HipHop concerts.

Anonymous said...

I hope that Irving Place is sued because the acts that rented the facility shot one another??? WTF is wrong with you people.

JM said...

I've been to a lot of rock concerts there over the years and nobody ever got shot. I don't even remember anyone fighting.

Just saying.

Anonymous said...

Hiphop has had this big problem for a long time. I don't expect it to ever be solved.

Anonymous said...

At least there was only one gun involved it could have been a slaughter if more people were packing.

Giovanni said...

The whole reason they call it Hip Hop is because when they shoot you in the Hip you start Hopping around.

Anonymous said...

Next time there's a shooting in the neighborhood, the victim will be taken to a rolled ice cream store or a bar...

Anonymous said...

Do people not understand the meaning of the word 'consequences'? If you shoot someone and you're caught it's very likely that you will be locked up for a long, long time. No to mention these days there are cameras EVERYWHERE. Just about every move you make outside of your home is recorded. It's not hard to track down those that commit crimes. That said, it boggles the mind that people continue to behave this way.

Anonymous said...

I hope Irving Plaza is sued, 10:20am, because they didn't have adequate security to prevent a fatal shooting and three more shootings.

The venue is partly responsible for these shootings.

I bet they didn't have a metal detector or have one for any of their concerts.

bayou said...

Gothamist. Pffft.

Anonymous said...

I've worked at Irving Plaza a few times over the years. Like Webster and most mid size venues the gear, talent and crew do not generally go through the metal detector or get patted down, especially not before the house is open. I don't see Irving Plaza's liability here.

Anonymous said...

10:20 AM
I will tell you what's wrong with these people.
They think that people cannot be held accountable for their own actions. In their minds, anything that someone does, is the fault of somebody else.

Anonymous said...

Oh I see liability on Irving Plaza's part here 12:46pm. If they have metal detectors and patdowns for patrons only not talent and crew, too, then there's a lapse in security. First what's to stop someone who is neither talent nor crew from going through the no metal detector or pat down entrance into the venue? Second why is there a metal detector and pat downs at the patron entrance only, why is there no protocol for at least pat downs at the talent-and-crew entrance (when we cannot assume talent and crew would never bring in weapons - quite the contrary for some who want protection), and since when is a metal detector or pat down (including one at the talent-and-crew entrance if there was one) fool proof?

Bottom line is an (illegal) weapon got through IP security and that's a lapse in venue security and that was a reason someone got killed and three people were wounded, therefore IP/Live Nation NYC is liable, will be sued, and will settle out of court as they have the deep pockets to moreover they don't want there to be a court battle in public. What is so hard to understand? The venue has NO responsibility or accountability whatsoever? I don't think so. They had both. When I go to Irving Plaza there should be no guns or knives in the place. Live Nation NYC is a multi-billion dollar business thus can afford to install a metal detector and hire people to pat down at ALL entrances (or all two entrances in the case of IP), ok?

Anonymous said...

Do people not see what the repercussions are of places like Irving's Plaza being liable for random shootings? That means every venue, and soon every store or public place, will have metal detectors. You won't be able to enter a freaking McDonald's without being patted down.

/EVG still screening comments I see. Still letting the "stealth" racist comments make it through, amirite?

Anonymous said...

@May 27, 2016 at 11:44 AM

If you work in the live business you'll understand that full airport security for every load-in isn't feasible. Plus, with some clubs like [ venue redacted ] there is an ongoing problem with the local house security getting sticky fingers during searches. That's a problem with the customers and would be a spectacular issue with traveling crews.

Just from a legal standpoint: If you get caught in a crossfire on the D train is the MTA liable?

I'm sure there's an out of work lawyer around who would take the lawsuit, this is the United States, exclusively because they feel they can go after Live Nation - and I personally don't begrudge anyone taking Live Nation for some money get it while you can - but the issue is guns overall not airport security lines at every venue.

Also you say that you should feel that there aren't any knives being smuggled in by the road crew? How do you feel about pens?

Troy Ave, bringing his art to life ... said...

Lyrics from "CokeAMania":

They should know that my gun go
I'll blow this shit up yo

The name is Troy Ave, but I'm far from local
And my gun goes off
I am far from vocal mother fucker

Fuck the law
Powder Life

Anonymous said...

Anon 12:16PM--enlighten us, which are the "stealth" racist comments?

Edmund Dunn said...

4.47 PM "which are the "stealth" racist comments?"

Just came to this thread. It's not even stealth. How about 12.48 AM's post?

"I will tell you what's wrong with these people.
They think that people cannot be held accountable for their own actions. In their minds, anything that someone does, is the fault of somebody else."

These people.